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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Oswalla
Is this the piece on the rear of pan by rms ? If this is the same metal strap looking piece your talking about, that goes on Outside of the pan ? The technical name is oil pan support.

Carry on if this is not what your talking about .
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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 04:00 PM
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Now at this point you will have to take a good look at whether tightening down all the bolts warped the pan or not. When you tightened it down on the strap it may have now stretched and warped the pan out of plane. In which case it might not now tighten up correctly and tight against the rear seal like it should. If so this will have to be "adjusted" so that it seats with more pressure against the seal. There is going to be a trick to this.

You will be OK if it seats against the seal and there is still a gap along both sides of the pan where all the bolts go down the sides. As long as it is trying to press the rear pan seal before it seats flush on the block.
Good point, check that pan before re-assembly. More likely is the support strap is bent somewhat. Seems to me I remember that being pretty thin metal, a lot thinner than the pans steel. Probably want to clean up that area where the sealer goes and reapply also.
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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Oswalla
Good point, check that pan before re-assembly. More likely is the support strap is bent somewhat. Seems to me I remember that being pretty thin metal, a lot thinner than the pans steel. Probably want to clean up that area where the sealer goes and reapply also.
I think it may have also ruined the strap and lets hope it didn't dig into the pan seal and ruin it to. But it doesn't really need the strap and it can be replaced with a different one very easily later on if he wants it to be correct and complete.

Something related to your good catch on this though, I am now curious if he knows that the rear pan seal is not the rear main seal? two totally different critters at the same end of the motor that can leak.
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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugout4x4
I think it may have also ruined the strap and lets hope it didn't dig into the pan seal and ruin it to. But it doesn't really need the strap and it can be replaced with a different one very easily later on if he wants it to be correct and complete.

Something related to your good catch on this though, I am now curious if he knows that the rear pan seal is not the rear main seal? two totally different critters at the same end of the motor that can leak.
I know the rear pan seal isn't the main seal, not sure if it chewed it up unless it's really soft metal, the gasket might be however
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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugout4x4
I think it may have also ruined the strap and lets hope it didn't dig into the pan seal and ruin it to. But it doesn't really need the strap and it can be replaced with a different one very easily later on if he wants it to be correct and complete.

Something related to your good catch on this though, I am now curious if he knows that the rear pan seal is not the rear main seal? two totally different critters at the same end of the motor that can leak.
probably broke the strap, I think it would've broken that before it warped the pan but I'm sure it's not hard to fix the pan, mine had a huge dent in it on the gasket surface and a hammer fixed that problem
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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by greynolds17
I know the rear pan seal isn't the main seal, not sure if it chewed it up unless it's really soft metal, the gasket might be however
Good deal! The worry I have about the strap is in how it's made. It usually has some sort of vertical shaping or raised bumps to make it work like a spring when tightened down. If it is deformed it might be hard to shape it back like it belongs. But it is not a problem at all to just leave it off for now and replace it with another one at some point later if it is bent out of shape. All you have to do is pull just those few bolts to put the new one in.

But the seal... There is no real pressure on it from the inside so as long as there are no gashes that go from inside to the outside and the pan touches it all the way around you might be OK. Let me know if it looks like the the pan it's self is warped and not going to put pressure on the seal after it is bolted up tight and I will explain how to shape it back so that it does without having to take it out.

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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugout4x4
Good deal! The worry I have about the strap is in how it's made. It usually has some sort of vertical shaping or raised bumps to make it work like a spring when tightened down. If it is deformed it might be hard to shape it back like it belongs. But it is not a problem at all to just leave it off for now and replace it with another one at some point later if it is bent out of shape. All you have to do is pull just those few bolts to put the new one in.

But the seal... There is now real pressure on it from the inside so as long as there are no gashes that go from inside to the outside and the pan touches it all the way around you might be OK. Let me know if it looks like the the pan it's self is warped and not going to put pressure on the seal after it is bolted up tight and I will explain how to shape it back so that it does without having to take it out.
I'll have to check, I'm taking it to a shop because I don't have the time to do it myself but I'll tell them to watch for that, they can probably reshape the pan too, as for the seal, you might need to send a picture so I can see exactly what you mean, as long as it doesn't spin on the strap I should be ok but it's not the crankshaft if I remember correctly

edit: nevermind I see what you mean now if it's that little ride on the end of the crank, hopefully that won't be super worn down now, I didn't hear any scraping or grinding noises but I think it would wear down the strap first anyways

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