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Old Jul 22, 2021 | 03:21 PM
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I have just bought a 2000 XJ 4.0 and now doing all the basic maintenance, fluid, sparks...I thought everything went alright until I noticed a horrible fuel economy, less than 10 mpg.
I ordered a new coolent temp sensor and a new upstream o2 sensor. To my big surprise both o2 sensors has been canceled and welded shut, one upstream and one Downstream.The plug/wire just hanging there in the open..

So how is that possible without any CEL going off. Can I just go ahead and install them again, or has there been done some fancy tricks that I have to reverse before installing new o2 sensors.
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Old Jul 22, 2021 | 04:39 PM
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When you cycle the key on engine off the CEL should illuminate. Does it?
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Hi Cummins93, thanks for your interest.
yes, when I cycle the key all lights in instrument cluster lights up, including the CEL light, it stays on for a sec and then goes off, just as I suppose it should if everything is ok. But with no O2 sensors installed CEL light should stay illuminated….right,
I was thinking if the previous owner had done some trick to fouling the ECU…

Maybe I’m wrong but is seems like a mystery

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Old Jul 23, 2021 | 06:32 AM
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Take a good picture of your ecu ID tag and post it up.
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Here you have it, one shut O2 sensor
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Old Jul 23, 2021 | 03:56 PM
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I wonder if the previous owner installed a 2000 federal emissions ECU.

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Old Jul 23, 2021 | 05:08 PM
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The part number on the ECU is for federal. That bung doesn't really look like it's in the right place for either Federal or California models though?
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Old Jul 24, 2021 | 01:42 AM
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Hmm it a bit of a mystery, I’ll investigate some more and maybe just install the O2 sensor and se how it goes,

I’ll update the project when installed, thanks
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Old Jul 24, 2021 | 04:27 AM
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What do you have for OBD testing? Can you monitor the O2 sensor signals? See what they're doing, a CA XJ with 4 sensors should look like:

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Old Jul 24, 2021 | 04:35 AM
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What's the cylinder head? 0331? And the Part# of the block. That engine pipe doesn't look like a 2000 pipe, cause mine doesn't have that flange.

That said, see

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Thanks, I only have one Cat and two wire for O2 sensor Upstream/Downstream, so it make sense if its a Federal 2000 model,
ill order a OBD2 reader today, any recommendations for a100 usd budget..
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Originally Posted by NeverEndingMaintenance
ill order a OBD2 reader today, any recommendations for a100 usd budget..
If you're short on coin then get an ELM 327 with software. I got mine for $3.95. They work.
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My thought is that since there's no error codes the PO put in a gizmo that is sending in 2 fixed 0.1 - 1.0 DCV signals with Sensor 1>Sensor 2 (like S1 is 0.6V and S2 is 0.4V).

Or the ECU has been reflashed. Ask Cummins93 to see if that's even possible.

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Flashing a 2000 cali to federal emissions should be possible but Ive not personally done it. If the single upstream sensor is in the collector for all 6 cylinders Id let it be.
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$3.95...thats a price I understand..
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