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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 03:09 PM
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Nobody said it wouldn't run fine, but you are deleting an EGR under false pretences
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 03:13 PM
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You asked for facts so....

Just so you know you need to run a 195* tstat.

lowering the T-Stat hurts the motor and puts more wear on the engine.

the reason? the 4.0 is designed to run at 210* - fact

not allowing the motor to fully warm up will cause more damage - fact

why? the most damage is done to the engine between start up and running temp, if it takes longer to reach running temp you are doing more damage - fact

having a lower engine temp than designed will not allow the piston seals to seal completely causing a loss in power (altho it can be small you do lose power) - fact

the loss in power will caused a drop in MPG - fact.


run a 195* as designed as you NEED the engine to run at a steady 210* - fact
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 03:25 PM
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96_XJ, thanks for expanding my reference to too cold a thermostat in my earlier post, near the top of this thread.

The OP is nineteen and says he knows a lot about engines.

I bet he doesn't know as much as the engineers that designed these things.
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Firestorm500
96_XJ, thanks for expanding my reference to too cold a thermostat in my earlier post, near the top of this thread.

The OP is nineteen and says he knows a lot about engines.

I bet he doesn't know as much as the engineers that designed these things.
You are correct. 19 and no don't know as much as those engineers! As far as being engine savy...I've got 8 rebuilds under my belt including a IS300 thats making 701whp right now
So 210* is normal..I thought it was a little high and was the reason I said something about a lower t-stat!
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamaran
Umm cams can be swapped from any 1975+ AMC/jeep straight six..Fairly sure on that as well as its been posted many times! Modfications maybe required but it is possible!
Swapping in the cam from the 96-01 wouldn't be an issue either..and since I'm doing a complete rebuild, if there was a bearing size issue...I'd be taken care of! But theres not so its not an issue!
And I have a very damn good clue about what I'm doing, thats why I'm doing it!

I'll have my EGR bungs welded shut today and see what happens! I bet my jeep runs just fine
Absolutely correct. I've done the cam swaps myself.
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamaran
You are correct. 19 and no don't know as much as those engineers! As far as being engine savy...I've got 8 rebuilds under my belt including a IS300 thats making 701whp right now
So 210* is normal..I thought it was a little high and was the reason I said something about a lower t-stat!
210 is normal the fan kicks on at 218 and the tstat opens at 195

the factory gauge is not as reliable as a nice aftermarket
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 04:28 PM
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Deposits in the intake manifold usually indicate a substandard/amateur valve job, or excessive blow by.
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo X_J
Deposits in the intake manifold usually indicate a substandard/amateur valve job, or excessive blow by.
And EGR residue. That's why all the 1 and 2g DAM guys block off their EGRs. Leaves the intercooler and piping full if carbon deposits.
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 96_xj
210 is normal the fan kicks on at 218 and the tstat opens at 195

the factory gauge is not as reliable as a nice aftermarket
Ya very possible my gauge is slow or fast or off...I read just above 210 constantly..and at 220 I puke antifreeze...This is with a new water pump, open style system with 2 row radiator, 195* tstat, mechanical fan but no electric fan...Maybe I should get a temp gauge installed!

I get minor blow by..almost none so I don't think thats the issue. My manifold is caked with exhaust soot..smells like burnt fuel! Its got to bethe EGR. No oil to be see in the manifold, minor deposits on the valves!
Now is it the EGR's fault? Probably not...somethings got to be causing it do to this...probably because my 02 wasn't working and numerous other issues with the jeep. Thats all taken care of, and EGR is now deleted..well plugged for now. Will be deleted on the new motor!
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 05:27 PM
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What is the fine for disabling or defeating a factory/government mandated emission control?

Is it $10,000.00 or $100,000.00? And/or up to a year in jail?

2 horsepower and a little less carbon deposit doesn't seem worth it to me.

But what do I know? I'm only 55. Smarter than a 19-year old?

Besides, what right do you have to foul the air I and everyone else breathe?
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Old Aug 15, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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If you didn't see what I wrote, I run a cat still. Actually its brand new..litterally a week old..Since I see where this is going. I say good day and live your life how you choose. I'm not here to argue!
Removing my EGR wouldn't add any extra polutants to the air as long as my cat is doing its job! And seeing how I passed emissions already, ya I'm doing my part to stay clean

Oh and I even run the new recyl. oil from autozone just to help do my part! Thanks though.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamaran
Umm cams can be swapped from any 1975+ AMC/jeep straight six..Fairly sure on that as well as its been posted many times! Modfications maybe required but it is possible!
Swapping in the cam from the 96-01 wouldn't be an issue either..and since I'm doing a complete rebuild, if there was a bearing size issue...I'd be taken care of! But theres not so its not an issue!
And I have a very damn good clue about what I'm doing, thats why I'm doing it!

I'll have my EGR bungs welded shut today and see what happens! I bet my jeep runs just fine
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamaran
If you didn't see what I wrote, I run a cat still. Actually its brand new..litterally a week old..Since I see where this is going. I say good day and live your life how you choose. I'm not here to argue!
Removing my EGR wouldn't add any extra polutants to the air as long as my cat is doing its job! And seeing how I passed emissions already, ya I'm doing my part to stay clean

Oh and I even run the new recyl. oil from autozone just to help do my part! Thanks though.
The cat is not the only pollution control component.

If you didn't see what someone else wrote, lack of EGR contributes to high NOx.

NOx is a major component of smog.

Had any smog in California before?

*cough* *cough*
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Firestorm500

Had any smog in California before?

*cough* *cough*
his area code is a california smog area.

and his zip is from Victorville, CA.
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Old Aug 16, 2011 | 08:00 AM
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Exactly my point.
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