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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 05:24 AM
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When I bought my jeep a few weeks ago, one little problem the guy mentioned was every once in a while, like every few months it wont start, but all you have to do is unplug the crank sensor and plug it back in and it'll fire right up. So when this finally happened, I unplugged it and plugged it back up and it started, but the second it started it was idling really low, but I didn't think too much of it at the time till I actually drove it and noticed it doesn't want to hold an idle. so i changed everything (plugs, wires, cap, rotor, fuel filter, o2 sensor) which seemed to make it worse. Now it's a struggle to keep it running, if I throw it in neutral coming to a light, the rpms will drop and I'll lose power steering, and headlights will dim and will usually stall out on me. And it is also drinking gas,and is putting off a strong exhaust smell. has anyone dealt with anything like this before? I'm just not sure where to start now and if it's a fuel issue or what. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 05:42 AM
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Get a meter and test the CPS output first per the instructions below. These Jeeps have horrible grounding systems and that can be remedied in less than an hour for less than $20. First thing I do on a Renix era Jeep. The ICU/Coil connections get corroded over time, too. A good throttle body cleaning is in order including the IAC. Make sure your intake manifold bolts are snug. Check to see if your EGR valve is hanging open. How are all the vacuum lines from the throttle body to the MAP sensor on the firewall? Here's some stuff to keep you busy for a short while. It's all preventative and addresses KNOWN issues regarding your Jeep.
Renix Ground Refreshing
The Renix era XJs and MJs were built with an under-engineered grounding system for the engine/transmission electronics. One problem in particular involves the multiple ground connection at the engine dipstick tube stud. A poor ground here can cause a multitude of driveabililty issues, wasted time, and wasted money replacing unnecessary components.
The components grounding at the dipstick tube stud are:
Distributor Sync Sensor, TCU main ground, TCU "Shift Point Logic", Ignition control Module, Injectors, ECU main ground which other engine sensors ground through, Oxygen sensor, Knock Sensor, Cruise Control, and Transmission Sync signal. All extremely important stuff.
The factory was aware of the issues with this ground point and addressed it by suggesting the following:
Remove the nut holding the wire terminals to the stud. Verify that the stud is indeed tightened securely into the block. Scrape any and all paint from the stud’s mounting surface where the wires will attach. Must be clean, shiny and free of any oil, grease, or paint.
Inspect the wire terminals. Check to see that none of the terminals are crimped over wire insulation instead of bare wire. Be sure the crimps are tight. It wouldn’t hurt to re-crimp them just as a matter of course. Sand and polish the wire terminals until clean and shiny on both sides. Reinstall all the wires to the stud and tighten the nut down securely.
While you’re in that general area, locate the battery negative cable which is fastened to the engine block just forward of the dipstick stud. Remove the bolt, scrape the block to bare metal, clean and polish the cable terminal, and reattach securely.
Another area where the grounding system on Renix era Jeeps was lacking is the engine to chassis ground. There is a braided cable from the back of the cylinder head that also attaches to the driver’s side of the firewall. This cable is undersized for it’s intended use and subject to corrosion and poor connections at each end.
First off, remove the cable end from the firewall using a 15mm wrench or socket. Scrape the paint off down to bare metal and clean the wire terminal. Reattach securely.
Remove the other end of the cable from the rear of the head using a 3’4" socket. Clean all the oil, paint and crud from the stud. Clean the wire terminal of the cable and reattach securely.
A suggestion regarding the braided cable:
I prefer to add a #4 Gauge cable from the firewall to a bolt on the rear of the intake manifold, either to a heat shield bolt or fuel rail bolt. A cable about 18" long with a 3/8" lug on each end works great and you can get one at any parts store already made up. Napa has them as part number 781116.
A further improvement to the grounding system can be made using a #4 cable, about 10" long with 3/8" terminals at each end. Attach one end of this cable to the negative battery bolt and the other end under the closest 10mm headed bolt on the radiator support just forward of the battery. Napa part number 781115.
 
 
If you want to upgrade your grounds and battery cables in general, contact Jon at
www.kelleyswip.com. He makes an incredible cable upgrade for a very reasonable price.
 
Revised 11-28-2011

Renix CPS Testing and Adjusting
 
 
Renix CPSs have to put out a strong enough signal to the ECU so that it will provide spark.
Most tests for the CPS suggest checking it for an ohms value. This is unreliable and can cause some wasted time and aggravation in your diagnosis of a no-start issue as the CPS will test good when in fact it is bad.
The problem with the ohms test is you can have the correct amount of resistance through the CPS but it isn’t generating enough voltage to trigger the ECU to provide spark.
Unplug the harness connector from the CPS. Using your voltmeter set on AC volts and probing both wires in the connector going to the CPS, crank the engine over. It won’t start with the CPS disconnected.
You should get a reading of .5 AC volts.
If you are down in the .35 AC volts range or lower on your meter reading, you can have intermittent crank/no-start conditions from your Renix Jeep. Some NEW CPSs (from the big box parts stores) have registered only .2 AC volts while reading the proper resistance!! That’s a definite no-start condition. Best to buy your CPS from Napa or the dealer.
Sometimes on a manual transmission equipped Renix Jeep there is an accumulation of debris on the tip of the CPS. It’s worn off clutch material and since the CPS is a magnet, the metal sticks to the tip of the CPS causing a reduced voltage signal. You MAY get by with cleaning the tip of the CPS off.
A little trick for increasing the output of your CPS is to drill out it’s mounting holes with the first drill bit that just won’t fit through the original holes. Then, when mounting it, hold the CPS down as close to the flywheel as you can while tightening the bolts.
 
Revised 11-29-2011

TESTING THE EGR VALVE FOR 87-90 4.0 ENGINE
Valve Opening Test
1) With engine at normal operating temperature and at idle,
rapidly open and close throttle. Open throttle sufficiently to obtain
at least 1500 RPM. Movement should be noticed in EGR diaphragm.
2) If diaphragm does not move, probable causes are: faulty
vacuum signal to EGR, defective EGR diaphragm or defective
backpressure sensor diaphragm (if equipped), or leaks in vacuum lines
or connections.
Valve Closing Test
1) With engine at normal operating temperature and at idle,
manually depress EGR valve diaphragm. RPM should immediately drop,
indicating that EGR valve is not leaking and had been properly cutting
off exhaust gas flow at idle.
2) If there is no change in RPM and engine is idling
properly, exhaust gases are not reaching combustion chamber. Check for
plugged passage between EGR valve and intake manifold.
3) If engine idles poorly and RPM is not greatly affected by
manually moving diaphragm up, EGR valve is not closing off exhaust gas
flow. Check for carbon between pintle, leaking EGR valve gasket or bad
EGR valve.
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I suggest unplugging every connection in the engine bay you can find, spraying it out with a good electronics cleaner, visually inspecting the terminals, and adding dielectric grease before plugging it back together.
All of the relays should be removed, the terminals wire-brushed until shiny, and the receptacles sprayed out with contact cleaner. Then dielectric grease should be added before plugging them back in. I do this on every Renix era Jeep I purchase or work on for someone else.

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Old Feb 2, 2012 | 09:33 AM
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"""""""""""but all you have to do is unplug the crank sensor and plug it back in and it'll fire right up. So when this finally happened, I unplugged it and plugged it back up and it started, """"""""""

Doesn't that tell you something?


""""""""but the second it started it was idling really low, """"""

Of course you did it again, this time with Dielectric grease in the connector to stop the corrosion.



"""""""noticed it doesn't want to hold an idle. so i changed everything (plugs, wires, cap, rotor, fuel filter, o2 sensor) which seemed to make it worse"""""""""""

Huh? You didn't change the air in the tires too? That's just as irrelevant as what you did.

The CPS connector is right under the hood/cowl drip line - the connector gets wet and corrodes. Fix the cowl gasket.
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