Im stumped...running hot at idle and low speed
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From: Grand Haven, Michigan
Year: 1998, 1999
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Hey guys, i've got an interesting dilemma i'd like to see if anybody can help me solve. 93 cherokee sport, 200k miles on it. Had it about a month, and noticed that when sitting at idle the temp would creep up to 220ish, not good. Figured it was a thermostat, and put in a 180 just to be safe. After that, the temp still creeped, just took longer. Went to inspect the radiator, and found it its a CSF metal unit put in 2005 era, so ruled that out. Water pump was next, so snagged a high flow unit from summit racing with my summit bucks, and threw in some water wetter I had around for the hell of it. Took it wheeling tonight, and it was around 210-215 again at idle. What the heck lol. Lower hose is not collapsing, and the system is full of 50/50 mix.
Should I look at the CSF radiator again? It had some rust/corrosion on it, but wasnt terrible. Im stumped, this one is really bugging me. I just want my cherokee at 180 all the time like my 1998 was.
Should I look at the CSF radiator again? It had some rust/corrosion on it, but wasnt terrible. Im stumped, this one is really bugging me. I just want my cherokee at 180 all the time like my 1998 was.
One interesting test you can try is to crank the heater on hot and the fan on high. See if you get really hot heat out of it. If you don't that could be a clue as to crap throughout your system.
After that I like to disconnect the two heater hoses at the thermostat. First flush thropugh the long hose. Then flush through the short hose. Keep an eye on the crap that comes out, if it's really nasty go a step further and flush the block.
When I see the heater core pumping a bunch of crap out I always decide on a couple hour job of removing the radiator and really flushing it both ways. When the guy installed your radiator in 2005 he may not have flushed the crap out that was causing the problem.
Flush your engine block (they make that flush stuff) when the radiator is out.
Check your bottom radiator hose, you should be able to feel a spring in there when you squeeze it. In fact check that first I you haven't. If there is no spring the hose will collapse. Maybe the guy put the wrong hose on when he put the new radiator on.
Check back with us...
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In my case since i have a propane system the engine runs in open loop mode anyway.
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That was just an example, like i said, a 180 deg thermostat is recommended only on a dual elecrtric fan conversion, since you don't have a mechanical fan turning that slows down the heat increment at warmup mode. That's what we were talking about, and that you feebly confuted with no technical input.
Throwing out Renix spec's as an example in a thread regarding an OBD1 rig isn't going to help a newb.
You as a moderator should be more aware of how much damage bad, misleading, or confusing advice can do.
You as a moderator should be more aware of how much damage bad, misleading, or confusing advice can do.
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I am not a moderator. No damage or misleading advice here, only replying to you.
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If you are concerned and want to replace the fan clutch get the one for a ZJ which is larger and puts the fan a tad closer to the radiator. But it operates a lot more than the stock fan clutch.
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That phrase I was referring to is very confusing. The syntax is strange. Do you mean that with no mechanical fan, the warmup time to full system stabilization takes a longer or shorter amount of time?
That phrase I was referring to is very confusing. The syntax is strange. Do you mean that with no mechanical fan, the warmup time to full system stabilization takes a longer or shorter amount of time?
Last edited by Firestorm500; Aug 21, 2009 at 11:31 PM.
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Fanatic is from Italy so his english is a little different than ours at times. I believe he was saying that if someone has a dual electric fan conversion that the system will warm up faster since the electrical fans wouldn't be running when warming up like a mechanical fan would be...
Hopefully I interpreted that correctly...
Mike
Hopefully I interpreted that correctly...
Mike
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i would lean toward insufficient airflow, imo. it should warm up a little when you stop, but it sounds like its warming up too much and too fast. what does you fan setup look like? but a coolant flush is aways a good idea, just to keep things working properly. btw i would also stick with the 192-195 degree thermostat.


