Im getting 13 MPG?
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From: Keesler AFB, MS
Year: 1998 XJ
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
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From: Cedar Rapids, Ia
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
I can get 13 if I drive the way I like to drive...but I get 17 by behaving myself.
BTW, I took a K&N off my f350 when I read a review in Motorcycle Consumer News on them. K&N is very big in the motorcycle world...and MCN is the Consumer Reports of that industry. Not to burst any bubbles but the reason K&N produce more "power" is larger holes in the filter media and allow more airflow. But the larger holes allow more dirt...way, way, more dirt.
The concensus is this: use K&N if power is more important to you than engine life. USe the factory filter if you want the motor to live a long and happy, if 4% underpowered, life.
BTW, I took a K&N off my f350 when I read a review in Motorcycle Consumer News on them. K&N is very big in the motorcycle world...and MCN is the Consumer Reports of that industry. Not to burst any bubbles but the reason K&N produce more "power" is larger holes in the filter media and allow more airflow. But the larger holes allow more dirt...way, way, more dirt.
The concensus is this: use K&N if power is more important to you than engine life. USe the factory filter if you want the motor to live a long and happy, if 4% underpowered, life.
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From: Detroit, MI
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Warpig: No worries - I'm not sensitive. I, too, want to know the answer. I took a K&N off my F350 after reading the MCN discussion but I didn't throw it in the junk - it is still up on the shelf. But I doubt I'll ever use it again. I've since read a couple other discussions of their stuff and don't like what I see.
The discussion MCN had covered the oil recharger thing. Per MCN, there is only two ways to provide more air volume: Make the holes bigger or increase the surface area. Ordinary pleated paper filters have the greatest surface area with the smallest holes. They are cheap and easy to replace and they work.
K&N's have smaller surface area and larger holes. Their claim to fame is more horsepower...but nobody will buy more horesepower if it means their DD won't last as long. A true hotrod/race guy will...but they rebuild their motors routinely. As long as the big chunks get filtered out, they're happy.
K&Ns are an oiled filter and even reuseable...but they don't function like the oil bath filters you find on tractors. Tractors have a pool of oil that the air must pass over and the airborne dirt sticks to the oil. Even tractors, though, have a paper element after the oil bath to get the remainder of the dirt.
K&N filter more dirt as they get dirty because the holes get smaller. That just tells me that before they get dirty too much dirt makes it into the motor.
Again - I'm not hammering K&N. Just repeating what I've read from sources that test scientifically. I'm learning as I go, like everyone else.
The discussion MCN had covered the oil recharger thing. Per MCN, there is only two ways to provide more air volume: Make the holes bigger or increase the surface area. Ordinary pleated paper filters have the greatest surface area with the smallest holes. They are cheap and easy to replace and they work.
K&N's have smaller surface area and larger holes. Their claim to fame is more horsepower...but nobody will buy more horesepower if it means their DD won't last as long. A true hotrod/race guy will...but they rebuild their motors routinely. As long as the big chunks get filtered out, they're happy.
K&Ns are an oiled filter and even reuseable...but they don't function like the oil bath filters you find on tractors. Tractors have a pool of oil that the air must pass over and the airborne dirt sticks to the oil. Even tractors, though, have a paper element after the oil bath to get the remainder of the dirt.
K&N filter more dirt as they get dirty because the holes get smaller. That just tells me that before they get dirty too much dirt makes it into the motor.
Again - I'm not hammering K&N. Just repeating what I've read from sources that test scientifically. I'm learning as I go, like everyone else.
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From: Walled Lake, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 inline 6
has anyone actually tried the K&N filter kit for better MPG.
this one http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?Prod=57-1518?????
this one http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?Prod=57-1518?????
Does it rev really high and stay that way until you restart it a couple times? Revving so high it sounds like its about to take off like a jet?
A fairly common problem causing this is either the IAC (Idle Air Control) or the TPS (throttle position sensor)
I don't know if this is true in your case but I do know it is a common issue.
A fairly common problem causing this is either the IAC (Idle Air Control) or the TPS (throttle position sensor)
I don't know if this is true in your case but I do know it is a common issue.
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From: Arkansas
Year: 1987 & 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
If you said the mileage I missed it.
If its a high mileage engine. the injector swap will help all the way around.
Better atomization of the fuel will increase power and a more effeicent burn.
Plugged catalytic convertor will cause a problem with fuel mileage and power too. Try running a race breathing through a straw and you get the same effect.
WE have 235/75/15's on the 95 and it has not suffered a hit in mpg.
If its a high mileage engine. the injector swap will help all the way around.
Better atomization of the fuel will increase power and a more effeicent burn.
Plugged catalytic convertor will cause a problem with fuel mileage and power too. Try running a race breathing through a straw and you get the same effect.
WE have 235/75/15's on the 95 and it has not suffered a hit in mpg.
Last edited by Caish; Aug 4, 2010 at 02:23 PM.
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From: Huntington, IN
Year: 1987
Model: Wagoneer
Engine: 4.0
I'm currently getting 16 mpg average and 18 on my highway trips and thats on paper air filter, old fuel filter, stock injectors, and a dying fuel pump. I'm hoping when i replace all those i can get up to 18 city 20 highway.
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From: Huntington, IN
Year: 1987
Model: Wagoneer
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From: Campbell, CA
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6
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From: Keesler AFB, MS
Year: 1998 XJ
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
If you said the mileage I missed it.
If its a high mileage engine. the injector swap will help all the way around.
Better atomization of the fuel will increase power and a more effeicent burn.
Plugged catalytic convertor will cause a problem with fuel mileage and power too. Try running a race breathing through a straw and you get the same effect.
WE have 235/75/15's on the 95 and it has not suffered a hit in mpg.
If its a high mileage engine. the injector swap will help all the way around.
Better atomization of the fuel will increase power and a more effeicent burn.
Plugged catalytic convertor will cause a problem with fuel mileage and power too. Try running a race breathing through a straw and you get the same effect.
WE have 235/75/15's on the 95 and it has not suffered a hit in mpg.
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From: Campbell, CA
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6
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From: Edmond, OK
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 ltr
Drive like an old lady...
It's not much fun, but with a vehicle in proper operating order you should get 18-20 mpg. I can get 20mpg consistently out of my 93 stock XJ with 235/75/15 tires, driving on roads with stop signs/lights every miles, some in city, some in the country but stop signs/lights every mile the whole way. Mine is a 4.0 ltr, 5 speed, 4wd. I creep around everywhere.. I typically drive 40 and rarely break 45mph. I typically shift at 1800 RPM, cruise at 1500 RPM. Easy on and off the gas, slow shifts...coast when possible and coast up to stop signs. My XJ could even use a new set of plugs and wires..... but it is working fine as it is.
I do not worry about those people in a hurry... they can go around. I give them room/opportunity to pass. I drive my XJ 40 miles a day round trip.. if I can get a tank to last me 9 days of commuting then I am in no hurry. (yes 9 days, weren't you taught to not let the needle get that close to E?)
Like I said... not fun... not cool, but it works.



