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Year: 1998
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Yep, wish u would have taken a pic, never seen/heard of a 3 row OE stock rad.....lots of aftermarket 3 row (very narrow tubes) rads though. Most mfgs have gone to 1 (very wide) row 'cause they're more efficient.
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Year: 1994
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i have to assume its part of the HD cooling package mine had. it came with a trans cooler and some other weird **** i have not seen stock on other XJ's as well. oh and oem's use 1 fatty row vs multi thin rows cause they are cheaper not more efficient go look up the formula for heat dissipation of a metal. one of the included variables is surface area. surface area will increase with more small rows than on big one.
no its not more thin tubes are more efficient because there is more surface area to dissipate the heat.
The wider the tube, the more efficient
Im curious if there is a way to put in an aftermarket Water Temp gauge without major mods? any ideas?
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If you go do the math on the surface area on a 3 row vs a single row the 3 row will have more tube touching the fin. That's why 2 and 3 row radiaters start costing more than single row. Its also why people replace their single row rads with multi row replacements. Use some common sense would you spend more money on a lesser product? Single rows have a higher flow rate due to design but that's their only improvement vs mutirow rads.
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From: The Republic of TEXAS
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i have to assume its part of the HD cooling package mine had. it came with a trans cooler and some other weird **** i have not seen stock on other XJ's as well. oh and oem's use 1 fatty row vs multi thin rows cause they are cheaper not more efficient go look up the formula for heat dissipation of a metal. one of the included variables is surface area. surface area will increase with more small rows than on big one.
.......and common sense should tell u that since all the auto mfgs have gone to 1 row aluminum core/plastic tank rads, even pick-ups with 10,000lb tow capacities, they must be more efficient than old school multi-thin row copper/brass rads........everythings got'em and has for the past 15-20 years.......cheaper and cools better, sounds like a win/win to me.
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Originally Posted by djb383
HD duty engine cooling was an option that added an auxiliary electric rad fan (non-a/c equipped XJs), nothing more. All a/c equipped XJs came with HD engine cooling (electric fan). The towing pkg included a auxiliary tranny cooler and required the optional auto tranny and 4.0L motor.
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All automatics have a tranny cooler....the tow pkg included a second, in addition to the regular tranny cooler, auxiliary tranny cooler. Post a pic of the build sheet....I'll be the 1st to admit I'm wrong and the 1st to admit one learns something new every day. It just seems odd the the FSM makes no mention of a 3 row rad and none of the parts houses references to a 3 row OE rad.
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Originally Posted by djb383
All automatics have a tranny cooler....the tow pkg included a second, in addition to the regular tranny cooler, auxiliary tranny cooler. Post a pic of the build sheet....I'll be the 1st to admit I'm wrong and the 1st to admit one learns something new every day. It just seems odd the the FSM makes no mention of a 3 row rad and none of the parts houses references to a 3 row OE rad.
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.....then everything I've read says the auxiliary cooler, in front of the condenser, is part of the tow pkg. Don't see many pics of build sheets, lookin' forward to it.
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If you go do the math on the surface area on a 3 row vs a single row the 3 row will have more tube touching the fin. That's why 2 and 3 row radiaters start costing more than single row. Its also why people replace their single row rads with multi row replacements. Use some common sense would you spend more money on a lesser product? Single rows have a higher flow rate due to design but that's their only improvement vs mutirow rads.
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I have done the math. You use some common sense. If you are comparing cores of the same size and construction then yes. But a single core could quite possible have more tube to fin contact, depends on construction really, fins per inch and width. When you add more cores you need increased coolant flow and increased airflow to make any real performance gains. The cores behind are being "cooled" with hot air from the core in front. And the air is slower each core. A properly designed and built single core is not necessarily a lesser product then a 2 or 3 core radiator.
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Look at all the BeCool and Griffin hi-performance rads.......they're 1 and 2 row aluminum cores with 1" to 1 1/4" wide tubes, NOT 3, 4, 5 row with 3/8" to 1/2" wide old school copper/brass tubes/tanks. Again, late model pick-ups towing 10,000lbs come with 1 row aluminum/plastic rads....cheaper, sure......better, definitely.
What other 4 wheel vehicle has a 11' tall radiator????????.......a 3cyl Geo Metro maybe? LOL
What other 4 wheel vehicle has a 11' tall radiator????????.......a 3cyl Geo Metro maybe? LOL
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Look at all the BeCool and Griffin hi-performance rads.......they're 1 and 2 row aluminum cores with 1" to 1 1/4" wide tubes, NOT 3, 4, 5 row with 3/8" to 1/2" wide old school copper/brass tubes/tanks. Again, late model pick-ups towing 10,000lbs come with 1 row aluminum/plastic rads....cheaper, sure......better, definitely.
What other 4 wheel vehicle has a 11' tall radiator????????.......a 3cyl Geo Metro maybe? LOL
What other 4 wheel vehicle has a 11' tall radiator????????.......a 3cyl Geo Metro maybe? LOL
the reason becool/griffin use wide tubes is flow rate a thinner tube cause more turbulence lowering flow. the wide ones do not.


