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Old 06-18-2011, 10:10 PM
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I just started on our local volunteer search and rescue team and they have a 99 jeep cherokee classic with 4.0L. It has trouble starting it cranks for 20-30 sec. then the 2nd crank it starts just fine and runs smooth.

The other day it died pulling our boat from a rescue and shop said map sensor was bad and replaced it, well since then its gotten harder to start. what could this be?

Being a volunteer group we dont get paid and are very poorly funded so anything cheap and easy to fix would be great if possible.

PS jeep has only 60k miles, were as my personal jeep has 234k and starts on 2-3rd crank.
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If you turn the key 2 clicks, let the fuel pump run for a few seconds, then start, does it fire right up?
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There is a check valve in the fuel system. Sometimes it takes a crap and causes the lines to lose pressure.

Search a bit, some guys are able to get a BMW check valve for REAL cheap, and its a direct fit for our fuel system.

It should work on any XJ before 2000 IIRC.
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Originally Posted by tjwalker
Does it have an "extended crank time" when the engine is cold? A common problem here is a checkvalve issue. More on that below. Another thing to consider with a rough idle for a bit upon startup is a leaky fuel injector. If that occurs, there is raw fuel in the cylinder and it takes the engine a little bit of time to burn off that excess raw fuel, so it stumbles a bit on idle as it does that.
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The check valve is located on top of the gas tank and is part of the fuel pump assembly on 95.5-2001 vintage 4.0 XJs. When the check valve starts to fail, it reduces fuel pressure to a point where an extended crank is needed to start the engine. It is a very common failure. I experienced it on my 99 at around 75K.

A good (and simple) way to troubleshoot this problem is called “the poor mans prime”

1. Turn key to ON position (do not crank the engine!)
2. The fuel pump will energize and run for a couple of seconds
3. Turn key to OFF position
4. Repeat above a two more times
5. NOW crank the engine over

If the engine starts quickly and cleanly after performing this procedure, you may have the check valve issue. If it starts and runs poorly for a few seconds, it could also be a leaky fuel injector resulting in the bleed down and the stumble upon startup is the engine clearing the excess fuel that has leaked into the cylinder because of the faulty injector.

Also be aware that a bad battery can give you this symptom. Sounds strange but it definitely does happen. Have battery load tested if you have any questions; your XJ does NOT like low available battery voltage. Be sure battery connections and posts are CLEAN.

Some troubleshooting tips for extended crank times:

Hook up fuel pressure gauge on the schrader valve on the fuel rail

Start engine and bring to normal operating temperature.

Observe test gauge. Normal operating pressure should be 49.2 psi (plus or minus 5 psi)

Shut engine off.

Pressure should not fall below 30 psi for five minutes.

If pressure falls below 30 psi, it must be determined if a fuel injector, the check valve within the
fuel pump module, or a fuel tube/line is leaking. An adaptor tool/hose included with the fuel pressure gauge can help you with this. Consult gauge manual for more information on this but here is basically how it works:

*Turn the engine off and immediately clamp the fuel line at the adaptor hose. Watch the pressure gauge and see how long it takes to lose pressure.

*If the pressure remains at 49 psi for an extended period of time then the problem is in the tank - possibly the check valve. If the pressure falls below 49 psi fairly rapidly then the problem is probably a leaky fuel injector.

You can limp a check valve problem along indefinitely if you wish as it doesn't mean the fuel pump itself is going bad. Normally, the check valve is replaced as an entire assembly as you have to drop the gas tank to access the assembly. Fuel pump assembly consists of fuel pump, regulator, check valve, filter. If you do replace the fuel pump assembly, purchase a high quality OEM style unit. Some cheap aftermarket assemblies don’t hold up and fail prematurely. I specifically seek out Bosch fuel pumps as they are the best in the business. Stay away from Airtex, as IMHO, they have a bigtime reliability problem.
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thanks for the responses, Ill try them when i go to the unit next time!
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