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Old 02-04-2015, 08:50 PM
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Rear on the side, or rear on the rear. (your rear really cares about that one!)
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Yeah the belt screeching was probably the frozen water keeping the pump from spinning which in turn destroyed your belt.

For the record, the "freeze plugs" aren't there to protect the engine from damage due to negligence. They're there from casting the engine.

Everyone calls them freeze plugs because they do tend to pop out once the engine has frozen up but VERY often the block will also crack.
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Originally Posted by dortch22
Well, upon further inspection today one of the rear freeze plugs is completely gone with no trace of it nearby. Maybe it popped during transit? Checked oil a couple times and looked fine. Maybe it was just a little discolored on first inspection? From repeated short start ups or fluke? I poured about a gallon of water into reservoir and all came rushing out the back of the motor and I found none going into the oil or rise in oil level at all. Maybe it needs pressure to get through a crack? Starting to think I may have overestimated the damage..hopefully!
Replug it and pressure test. If there's not enough access to install a freeze plug you can use a rubber expanding plug they sell just for that purpose.
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Replug it and pressure test. If there's not enough access to install a freeze plug you can use a rubber expanding plug they sell just for that purpose.
I know from bitter experience that rubber freeze plugs don't work on the back of the head.

Head has to come off to replace it.
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So, have you figured out how you were so far off with your antifreeze "mix"?
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So, have you figured out how you were so far off with your antifreeze "mix"?
It was protected down to 50 degrees above zero.
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Originally Posted by Firestorm500
It was protected down to 50 degrees above zero.
Probably down to about 32.
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Originally Posted by Firestorm500
It was protected down to 50 degrees above zero.
Ha Ha. When I first read I thought you said 50 below, I thought how would he know that?

Worked for a guy that bought some anti-freeze that froze. IIRC was unmarked jugs, might have been re-cycled, dunno
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He paid money for so-called antifreeze in unmarked jugs?

Wow.

It could have been pee that was dyed green.
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Originally Posted by Larry's XJ
So, have you figured out how you were so far off with your antifreeze "mix"?
Moot point. If the bottle was frozen, and coolant is running out, somebody made a mistake. Moving on, In OEM Cherokee Teck, the diagnoses/repair is the issue. Especially if a guy just lost his block, towing the jeep. (btw there is a specific gravity chart in my sig. that anyone could use with a regular hydrometer to find their level of protection)

Freeze, or "expansion" plugs can indeed save the block. Ice can flow.....Put an egg in your hand, squeeze and see if it breaks. Cracking a cylinder might be harder than it seems with equal, inward pressure.

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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
Moot point. If the bottle was frozen, and coolant is running out, somebody made a mistake. Moving on, In OEM Cherokee Teck, the diagnoses/repair is the issue. Especially if a guy just lost his block, towing the jeep. (btw there is a specific gravity chart in my sig. that anyone could use with a regular hydrometer to find their level of protection)

Freeze, or "expansion" plugs can indeed save the block. Ice can flow.....Put an egg in your hand, squeeze and see if it breaks. Cracking a cylinder might be harder than it seems with equal, inward pressure.
They can but are definitely not what they're intended for.

I agree the cylinder might be hard to crack, but the external side of the block will be much easier to crack.
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
Freeze, or "expansion" plugs can indeed save the block. Ice can flow.....Put an egg in your hand, squeeze and see if it breaks. Cracking a cylinder might be harder than it seems with equal, inward pressure.
The problem isn't really the ice which increases in volume approximately 9%, it's the hydraulic action on the residual water that hasn't frozen yet which can't be compressed. Pressures can go really high.
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
Moot point. If the bottle was frozen, and coolant is running out, somebody made a mistake. Moving on, In OEM Cherokee Teck, the diagnoses/repair is the issue. Especially if a guy just lost his block, towing the jeep. (btw there is a specific gravity chart in my sig. that anyone could use with a regular hydrometer to find their level of protection)

Freeze, or "expansion" plugs can indeed save the block. Ice can flow.....Put an egg in your hand, squeeze and see if it breaks. Cracking a cylinder might be harder than it seems with equal, inward pressure.

NOT a "moot" point. There may be a lesson to be learned by someone.
Was it 50/50 but thinking it was straight, and diluted it. Had it just been flushed and residual water wasn't accounted for?
Still a valid question, don't care if you think so or not.
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My mistake Larry, I can be too blunt. I honestly didn't mean any offense, I see how that looks. The OP has a sad, ugly plate in front of him none of us wants. When or who messed up the ratio doesn't seem to be the issue now.

9% turbo Reakkly? I'm gonna wikipedia that when I sober up Monday. Besides a few engines I've repaired plumbing. In 89 when Siberia went to San Deago, I repaired 29 blown pipes. We here are not geared for that arctic stuff. What I saw was the exterionus outer, less massive would freeze, then push into the more solid, more massive, where then something needs to give.

Anyway the OP has some chance, and Larry, I could have worded that better!

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Well, I may have been a bit harsh myself.

Having froze a radiator decades ago, I understand mistakes.


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