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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 05:19 PM
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recently here in michigan it has begun to get cold, now i am having issues with initial start up, it cranks and cranks and cranks then fires up and it just started doing this. but it runs fine once it does, if i shut it off and start it right back up it starts fine, but if i let it sit for awhile then it takes a second to fire up again. now i think my crank position sensor is the problem, can they be tested (ohms, volts, etc...) if so how many ohms or volts? and how much psi does the fuel rail have?
1991 jeep cherokee laredo 4.0l HO auto 4x4.
what do you guys think, am i on the right track, fuel filter was just replaced.
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 05:26 PM
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Maybe there is some condensation in your tank?
Maybe the fuel is condensing during the night, or losing pressure in the fuel lines. Causing the fuel pump to have to build up pressure again. Think about it, when the engine is running the fuel is hot/warm so it expands. Then it gets cold at night and the fuel contracts, probably losing pressure..
Next time you go to start it in the morning turn the key on until you hear the fuel pump shut off, DO NOT START THE ENGINE. Turn the key off, then back on and let the fuel pump run again. See if this helps.
Where are you from in Michigan?
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 06:05 PM
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just west of ann arbor, in chelsea, ill try that.
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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well i tried that and it didnt change anything. im still thinking the cps.
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 06:30 PM
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It could be the cps, but those usually fail in heat. You dont really hear about them failing because of teh cold very much.
Whens the last time its had a tuneup?
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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how many miles does it have on the motor? i have had frequent encounters with bad cps's on multiple fuel injected jeep motors not just 4.o liters... i would replace it and see..there normally not to spendy to fix and its just 2 bolts
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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When it fails to start, check for a spark at the plugs. See if it has spark.
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Originally Posted by ET JEEP
When it fails to start, check for a spark at the plugs. See if it has spark.
even if it has spark sometimes he cps is bad...we were wheein at 6000 feet up amountain and a wrangler had issues...ba cps. still had spark jut wouldnt run... '
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 04:10 AM
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it has 124,000 on it and i got it for free. the cap, wires and coil all look good but im going to replace them today and see what that does for me. if that doesnt help, then the cps, after that fuel pressure test
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 07:11 AM
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Get a fuel pressure gauge and perform a leak down test before you buy any parts
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 07:14 AM
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i agree with frankz...you might be losing fuel pressure over night and the fuel pump is trying to push dense, cold gas back thru the lines causing the long crank time.
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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how many psi should it hold for how long? anyone know anything about testing the cps? thanks for all your haelp guys.
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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39psi with the key on, 35 when it's running.
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 06:44 PM
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i performed the fuel pressure check and i have 20psi with the key in the on postion and dropping fast, when its running i have a solid 31psi?? does this make sense at all?
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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Yes it does.

Do the pressure test again and as asoon as the pressure max's out (Key On, engine Off) Clamp off the rubber fuel line with a pair of needle nose vise grips. If the pressure drops then you've got a bad injector(s), if it stays steady you've got a bad checkvalve in your pump assembly.
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