XJSETH

explain to us how that is unsafe?

XJSETH

Explain why you THINK Its unsafe? and how leafs in that position would be safer?

89eliminator

how i KNOW its unsafe you mean? how about that the coil has completely unseated and isnt even inline with where its supposed to go. so when he flattens back out, that coil could become a projectile for anyone in its path (even with spring holders).

my statement of rather having leafs than THAT coil setup is the fact that i already stated. flex isnt the king of offroad, controlled flex is. talk to me when he installs limiting straps.

XJSETH

if you read more thoroughly instead of just assuming he does have straps but didnt have them on. his fault yes but ive never see a coil go projectile from anything but coil compressor and maybe other idiots doin dumb stuff. my coils almost come out when i flex hard core but it doesnt and it always goes back to where it was. i agree flex isnt king of offroad but it helps, controlled flex is like you said my xj i know what it can and cant do. i use the amount of flex i have in every single way possible and its controlled.

EndlessMtnFab

I see coil springs unseat all the time in the front. Why would the back be any more dangerous ?


A slow controlled descent can usually get the springs to line up naturally. Worst case ... a help can just hold it in place with a took or stick or whatever.



And to my eye ... it looks like that XJ *does* have a limiting strap/cable in the center. No .. that won't help much for flex situations.


The only comment I will make is the placement of the rear shocks. Could be better, IMO.


But nothing dangerous at all about this setup.



Joe

EndlessMtnFab

Hard to tell that from just one picture.


But if I had to guess, perhaps the front coil rate is much higher than the rear. That would force the rear to do more work.


I don't think we can make an assumption based on two very similar photos.



I'd like to see more of this XJ tho.



Joe

XJSETH

joe i agree with you. the rear shocks need to be more at an angle IMO ive also seen this happen with zj's, tj's, and other vehicles.

EndlessMtnFab

Seth .... *less* of an angle is better. Not more.


My issue is with placement. They are too close together. The further apart your shocks are, the more effective they are in controlling body roll.



Joe

XJSETH

the upper part of the shock is mounted fine but if you took the bottom part and re mounted towards the outside of the axle it would make more sense, the axle doesnt travel straight up or down is goes at an angle.

EndlessMtnFab

That is why there are bushings. To allow for movement. The axle never goes down in the same path every single time. And the axle can travel straight up and down. What do you think happens when you crest a berm?


Call any shock manuf or reseller -- they will all tell you the same thing. The straighter the mounting, the more effective the dampening. Obviously, a great angle will allow for more potential travel. As always, it's a compromise.


I think the uppers are mounted too close .. and the lowers are definitely too close.



Joe

JeepCoMJ

read what 89eliminator posted. I'm in COMPLETE agreement with him.

also, endlessmountainfab....the center strap only limits axle-droop when the vehicle is airborn, or doing a hill climb (descent in the case of a rear coil setup...it keeps the vehicle from becoming unsprung). it has NOTHING to do with limiting flex.


coils are NOT supposed to unseat. ever. if they unseat, you need to make adjustments to your setup. every time a coil unseats, it gives potential of becoming a sprung projectile...it is VERY much like using grade 8 bolts to bolt tow hooks on. there is no give, and you don't know they're doing anything wrong until they go flying (i.e. use grade 5 on tow hooks so you feel when it starts to stretch).

the person who built that setup did not do proper research reguarding which springs to use and how to set up limiting straps. he could have that amoung of downward flex if he wishes, but would have to run a longer, softer coil to do so so that it never unseats. then he'd also have to redo the moutning points to maintain an acceptable angle all through the travel of the coils.

btw, 89eliminator has done his research when it comes to link setups, and has successfully built a *(safe) longarm setup in the front of his MJ that has great flex while being properly limited via limiting straps.

XJSETH

this all coming from a guy with sprung over rear axle? let me ask you this. have you seen a coil go shooting off into the sunset due to it "NOT BEING SEATED" ??? im curious to know. you know so much about it please share your experience. im sure this guy would walk all over your little mj all day, as well as my xj. like i said before the guys had limiting straps just didnt have them hooked up. his fault yes but read the entire thread before you rip didnt we go over this in another thread already? a wannabe is what you are.

EndlessMtnFab

JeepCo ... aren't you the same fool from Jeeps-Offroad that we had to put in your place a few times for being a braggart & know-it-all (who really didn't) ?


*edit* You must be ... I see you are in Wisconsin. How's your brother's body work holding up?


I distinctly remember typing this:





If a coil unseats .. there is no longer any tension on it. So how would it become a projectile?



Your knowledge (or lack thereof) doesn't impress a lot of people when you spout off stuff.




Joe

broncofire75

x2. One set-up could end up with a lot of problems and another just about the same could end with amazing results.

That black XJ is way tall too. Coils can do good for an XJ but if I were going through the trouble Id go air shocks or coilovers. My leafs flex like crazy with some shackle relocation brackets and some longer shackles.

broncofire75

Chill guys. Hes trying to help. Yeah I dont know the prior situation between yall but that was then, this is now.

SO how much do you know so that its ok to tell others they dont know anything? Im just saying...


BTT-
Its when the coil unseats and then the vehicle comes back down on it. Ive seen it. Thats when it gets pressure on it and is not in the correct posistion. Thats when it will be spit out.