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Old 02-15-2015, 06:08 PM
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Hello all,

Several weeks ago I bought a 2000 Cherokee Sport. Since then, I have spent a lot of time and money changing all the fluids, replacing the radiator and fixing some minor issues. Now, it appears I have the dreaded cracked cylinder head. After replacing the radiator, I added coolant a couple of times thinking it was just purging air from the system. After checking online, I looked through the oil filler cap while the engine was running and I think I can see coolant. It's not green, but it doesn't look like oil either. It's brown.

I feel like a biscuit for not being aware of this issue. I had owned a '97 Cherokee for 14 years and it was great. I thought the Jeep 4.0 engine was pretty much indestructible. Yet, it appears someone pawned off his problem on me.

So, now I'm looking for a replacement cylinder head. I've seen references to reinforced cylinder heads available from Promaxx and Clearwater. And now Edelbrock is going to sell a performance, aluminum 4.0 cylinder head. So...

- Which iron cylinder head would you recommend? Much of the information I've seen online appears to be dated. Also, I've seen a lot of bad reviews for Clearwater, but I don't know how valid they are.

- When will the Edelbrock cylinder head become available and what is the price?

- I'm pretty good with engines. I've rebuilt multiple V8 engines, but never a Jeep 4.0. Are there any specific challenges with replacing a cylinder head on this engine?

- My oil pressure is pretty good. Is there any way to tell if my cam or other bearings may be damaged? Since I just bought this Cherokee, I don't know its history.

- My Cherokee has 112,000 original miles, which is why I bought it. Other than the head issue, it's very clean and has a factory towing package. But now I'm finding out it's already bit me.

Thanks!

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I got my 0630 head off ebay for $285 shipped to my door. It had good machine work done and all new springs and valve stems. I pulled off every valve spring and checked valve stem clearance and they where all good. None sticky valve moved very smooth. I would recommend that route. I can look up exact seller if interested
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They also sell a head with a thicker deck for around &475-500 and or you can look for a tupy head from the later 4.0s but they are in the same range as the ones they sell with a thicker deck.
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Yes, it's the thicker, reinforced head I'm interested in. I don't want to install the same type of head and risk it cracking again. I'd also like to get a new head which will work with the coil packs. I don't want to mess with rigging something up to make the coil packs work on an older style head.

I saw this for $661. Was Promaxx formerly Alabama Cylinder heads?

http://www.promaxxperformance.com/in...-complete.html

Would that be a good choice?

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Check out Clearwater Cylinder heads. They sell the thicker casting new head. On ebay I believe they are known as Odessa Cylinder. I've installed them on a few 2000s with great results.
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Originally Posted by jeepkid03
Check out Clearwater Cylinder heads. They sell the thicker casting new head. On ebay I believe they are known as Odessa Cylinder. I've installed them on a few 2000s with great results.

I mentioned above I've seen multiple bad reviews for Clearwater. Good to you know you had a good experience.
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Where have you seen bad reviews? One of the heads from them I put on has over 50k miles on it, the other one has a little less.
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Titan yes, Clearwater no.
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Originally Posted by CobraMarty
Titan yes, Clearwater no.
Can you please elaborate?

EDIT: I checked the Titan engines web site and it appears they do not sell Jeep 4.0 cylinder heads.

Re-EDIT: I now see the 4.0 heads on the Titan site. For some reason, they weren't coming up on the main page or in the search function the first time I looked.

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Originally Posted by jeepkid03
Where have you seen bad reviews? One of the heads from them I put on has over 50k miles on it, the other one has a little less.
Google reviews.
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I called ATK who reported they use the factory castings and the improved castings, but there was no way to specify which I would get. No thanks.
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I think he meant Titan engines. There have been some nightmare stories on the forums regarding their strokers. I would go with Clearwater. You know what you are getting, the quality is good, and prices are decent. For what its worth I have an Alabama head on my 2000 XJ, and I had a broken valve spring after 20k miles. So technically I've had less problems (none) with the Clearwater heads than the Alabama heads.
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Originally Posted by Klutch
- When will the Edelbrock cylinder head become available and what is the price?
Well, it appears you can order it today with about a 2 week lead time.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-50169

It's quite pricey though...
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Links to at least one (maybe more?) bad review? For future personal reference.
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Clearwater and Odessa heads are the same.
I have bought their aftermarket thicker bare casting head and my machinist and I are very happy with it's quality.

No personal experience with Titan, but many others have had issues with their stroker engines. But that was years ago.


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