Brakes Possibly on Fire...
Old fart with a wrench
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From: Manlius, east of Syracuse, NY
Year: 2000 XJ Sport & WJ Laredo
Model: Grand Cherokee (WJ)
Engine: 4.0L
One other thing. If you can find someone who does TIG welding, he can use a hard surfacing rod so it will be less likely to wear in the future. The major thing with that is you can't file it down, it has to be ground. I watched this being done on the bench while I was still working as a toolmaker. TIG welding uses a hand fed rod instead of the automatically fed wire in MIG welding. If he's good, he can just fill in the grooves and not build the rest of it up. TIG melts the original metal so you can fill the grooves with another source of metal. I watched our shop welder put a 1/16" diameter ball of metal on the corner of an insert that after grinding down, you couldn't even see where it was.
Last edited by dave1123; Sep 19, 2020 at 08:53 PM.
Hardfacing can be done with MIG or stick welding too. Personally, I just preheat a bit, MIG with generic ER70S wire, and then file/dremel it even. I also use a bit of antiseize on the surfaces when installing the brakes.
https://www.thefabricator.com/thewel...out-hardfacing
https://www.thefabricator.com/thewel...out-hardfacing
Hardfacing can be done with MIG or stick welding too. Personally, I just preheat a bit, MIG with generic ER70S wire, and then file/dremel it even. I also use a bit of antiseize on the surfaces when installing the brakes.
https://www.thefabricator.com/thewel...out-hardfacing
https://www.thefabricator.com/thewel...out-hardfacing
thing is when you have a good look at the design, that area takes the full braking force, and will inevitably wear away, and need repair, on every XJ
I would not have enjoyed trying to file those welds, would have turned a 1hr job into an all day one
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This is why most cars today have stainless clips that cover that area and are replaced with new pads.
I have thought about forming my own clips and machining a respective clearance on the pad "tabs". But screwing with the sliding motion of the pads in such a high heat area and introducing another part that could induce a jam kinda seems like a very dangerous game to play.
Can't add much more to what's already been said. I'd recommend reconsidering you decision not to blend out the grooves in your knuckles. It's a first step to eliminate the hard edges that things are hanging up on. But it's also not the long-term solution.
While you are in there, I'd recommend pulling the axle half-shafts and replacing the U-joints. If you don't know how many miles are on the hub bearings I'd replace those too (ONLY get the Timken replacements). The knuckle and subsequent steering and brake system conversions discussed earlier are likely more than you want or need to do.
Old fart with a wrench
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From: Manlius, east of Syracuse, NY
Year: 2000 XJ Sport & WJ Laredo
Model: Grand Cherokee (WJ)
Engine: 4.0L
Good thinking and best left to the pros, I agree NM-XJ. In my opinion, brakes are the most important system on a vehicle. As my Dad used to say, "It may not go fast, but it's GOT to be able to stop!" Think about all the horrific train wrecks before the invention of the Westinghouse Air Brake!
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My KL has those stainless clips. Rust was forming under the clips, pushing them up and causing the rear calipers to bind up.
Old fart with a wrench
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Model: Grand Cherokee (WJ)
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Okay, but I'll bet your KL has removable caliper brackets, right? Take the rust off with a wire wheel on a bench grinder after using a file to remove the chunks.
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