Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.

'96 with the usual 'thud' on takeoff, questions

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 03:39 PM
  #1  
c1jensen's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: Illinois
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I-6
Default '96 with the usual 'thud' on takeoff, questions

Cherokee guru's...I have the typical thud after takeoff from a complete stop (doesn't do it from a "rolling stop"), and I usually do all work on my vehicles, but I had it in the shop this morning for a tire swap to new rims and had them look at it. I don't think they really did anything because all they told me was that my rear diff jerked when put in gear...well, okay, but that's not what I asked about. I did have them grease the splines (as noted on here in other threads), but it still makes the thud.

So all that being said, would the thud have anything to do with the rear diff? From everything I've read on here, I don't think I've read that. Lots of advise on checking trans mounts being loose (mine are tight), hung rear drums, u-joints, and such, but rear diff?

I can live with it I suppose, but would rather get it working properly. Like most others, if I coast off the brake before adding throttle, it doesn't make the thud noise...
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:02 PM
  #2  
Irongrave's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,266
Likes: 9
From: Florence SC
Year: 1996
Engine: 4.0
Default

my thud was bad u-joints in the drive shaft with them replaced its gone
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:15 PM
  #3  
jayman089's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 145
Likes: 1
From: Woodbine, MD
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Default

I vote u-joints as well.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:29 PM
  #4  
lurk520's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 504
Likes: 1
From: Tucson, AZ
Year: 2002
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I6
Default

I wonder if they actually removed the drive shaft and greased the splines or if they just used that needle tip on the grease gun I've heard about... I can't imagine being able to grease it properly with out removing it...but who knows....maybe it is the u-joints..... there are some good videos on youtube on how to do u-joints...they are by expert village I think it is, they are for a ford but I'm sure it's the same difference...
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:34 PM
  #5  
tiwvr1's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,030
Likes: 2
From: Elizabethtown, pa
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 5.2
Default

u joints fixed mine also. Same thing would thud from a dead stop, or from going reverse to drive
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:43 PM
  #6  
c1jensen's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: Illinois
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I-6
Default

Thanks!! Looks like u-joints are next on my list then...
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 07:40 PM
  #7  
damageincracing's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 129
Likes: 4
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Might I also suggest checking the engine mounts? We have had several cars of various makes and models in our shop complaining of "mystery thuds", and a LOT of them have been a bad engine mount or two. Just my two cents worth...
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 08:13 PM
  #8  
mcguyver_xj's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,231
Likes: 1
From: West Springfield, MA
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by damageincracing
Might I also suggest checking the engine mounts? We have had several cars of various makes and models in our shop complaining of "mystery thuds", and a LOT of them have been a bad engine mount or two. Just my two cents worth...
a good 2 cents motor mounts and trans mounts are highly overlooked when diagnosing thuds
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 08:24 PM
  #9  
c1jensen's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: Illinois
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I-6
Default

Thanks guys, I'm gonna put it on ramps this weekend and I'll check those too.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 08:37 PM
  #10  
onespeedpaul's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee
Default

you can pop the hood and stand off to the side of the vehicle while someone else in the driver's seat puts it into gear and see if the motor mounts are bad.

the motor will move way more than you think it should if they're bad.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 08:40 PM
  #11  
Rmart30's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 565
Likes: 0
From: Birmingham, Alabama
Model: Cherokee
Default

with the parking brake off and it in park on level ground. Kneel down beside rear tire and rock tire front to back....... watch the u joints, pinion where it enters the diff and also watch and see if the rear diff itself twists a lot.
I had one of mine doing that and it turned out to be that the springs were weak and letting the diff twist when torque was applied to it from a dead stop. New HD springs from quadratec fixed it.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2010 | 09:45 PM
  #12  
c1jensen's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
From: Illinois
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I-6
Default

Originally Posted by Rmart30
with the parking brake off and it in park on level ground. Kneel down beside rear tire and rock tire front to back....... watch the u joints, pinion where it enters the diff and also watch and see if the rear diff itself twists a lot.
I had one of mine doing that and it turned out to be that the springs were weak and letting the diff twist when torque was applied to it from a dead stop. New HD springs from quadratec fixed it.
Now that I actually did do last night when I was removing my hitch. I laid on the ground next to it while rolling the rear tire and the rear diff did twist a little bit. Don't know how much is normal tho...
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2010 | 11:00 AM
  #13  
GS Audio's Avatar
Seasoned Member
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
From: NYC
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: I6
Default

Was gonna suggest the u-joint as well since I had that issue on an old XJ, but was surprised to read that bad rear springs would cause this as well.

Guess I need to pony up and order a new set......although I wanted something with about an extra inch of ride height in the rear. You guys think with new HD springs, I'd see this kind of "lift" in back?

Also, should I get new front coils so all is fresh?
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2010 | 11:21 AM
  #14  
mende21's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 55
Likes: 1
From: Central PA
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 L
Default

I had a thud caused by a bad wheel cylinder. The shoes would grab when at a complete stop and pop free when I started moving.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2010 | 11:30 AM
  #15  
88XJLaredo's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
From: Georgia
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0l
Default

Consider the t-case mount as well. Had an issue with the t-case shifting about. I think it was more so around low speed corners, but acceleration from a dead stop would do it too.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:18 AM.