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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 11:09 PM
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okay i have an 89 jeep cherokee xj and it has some shifting problems.

In automatic it shifts normal but when i put it in 1-2 gear it will not shift out of first. it just revs higher and higher til i have to shift up to 3rd.

any help would be appreciated
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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 11:26 PM
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I would say it could be a bad shift solenoid.
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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by KicknUpMud
I would say it could be a bad shift solenoid.
Is that an easy fix or a major one?
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 03:05 AM
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Manual gear change doesn't use the solenoids (you can operate the trans manually with the electronics disconnected) and staying in 1'st in 1-2 is normal. It'll shift when you get uncomfortably close to redline.
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Manual gear change doesn't use the solenoids (you can operate the trans manually with the electronics disconnected) and staying in 1'st in 1-2 is normal. It'll shift when you get uncomfortably close to redline.

why would it do that? shouldn't it shift normaly from 1-2 just like it would do in automatic?
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by brantley55
why would it do that? shouldn't it shift normaly from 1-2 just like it would do in automatic?
Nope. There's nothing wrong with your Jeep in the trans department. If you select 1-2 and then drive away, it will shift into 2 at a predetermined high RPM. If you shift from 3 to 1-2 on decel, it will shift to 2, and then at a certain point drop to 1, putting your nose into the dashboard.
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 10:29 AM
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Nope. There's nothing wrong with your Jeep in the trans department. If you select 1-2 and then drive away, it will shift into 2 at a predetermined high RPM. If you shift from 3 to 1-2 on decel, it will shift to 2, and then at a certain point drop to 1, putting your nose into the dashboard.
Ive had it revd really high and nothing, stayed in first. I don't have an rpm gauge in mine
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Originally Posted by brantley55
Ive had it revd really high and nothing, stayed in first. I don't have an rpm gauge in mine
Not high enough. I think it's about 4800 RPM.
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Not high enough. I think it's about 4800 RPM.

but sometimes like intermitenly it will shift right to 2nd no problem
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Originally Posted by brantley55
but sometimes like intermitenly it will shift right to 2nd no problem
Well then, your TPS could be bad on the trans side. Have you ever done any of the ground refreshing per my write-ups?

Look at this one and see if you think it could contribute to your problem.



Renix Ground Refreshing
The Renix era XJs and MJs were built with an under-engineered grounding system for the engine/transmission electronics. One problem in particular involves the multiple ground connection at the engine dipstick tube stud. A poor ground here can cause a multitude of driveabililty issues, wasted time, failed emission tests, and wasted money replacing components unnecessarily.
The components grounding at the dipstick tube stud are:
Distributor Sync Sensor, TCU main ground, TCU "Shift Point Logic", Ignition control Module, Injectors, ECU main ground which other engine sensors ground through, Oxygen sensor, Knock Sensor, Cruise Control, and Transmission Sync signal. All extremely important stuff.
The factory was aware of the issues with this ground point and addressed it by suggesting the following:
Remove the nut holding the wire terminals to the stud. Verify that the stud is indeed tightened securely into the block. Scrape any and all paint from the stud’s mounting surface where the wires will attach. Must be clean, shiny and free of any oil, grease, or paint.
Inspect the wire terminals. Check to see that none of the terminals are crimped over wire insulation instead of bare wire. Be sure the crimps are tight. It wouldn’t hurt to re-crimp them just as a matter of course. Sand and polish the wire terminals until clean and shiny on both sides. Reinstall all the wires to the stud and tighten the nut down securely.
While you’re in that general area, locate the battery negative cable which is fastened to the engine block just forward of the dipstick stud. Remove the bolt, scrape the block to bare metal, clean and polish the cable terminal, and reattach securely.
Another area where the grounding system on Renix era Jeeps was lacking is the engine to chassis ground. There is a braided cable from the back of the cylinder head that also attaches to the driver’s side of the firewall. This cable is undersized for it’s intended use and subject to corrosion and poor connections at each end.
First off, remove the cable end from the firewall using a 15mm wrench or socket. Scrape the paint off down to bare metal and clean the wire terminal. Reattach securely.
Remove the other end of the cable from the rear of the head using a 3’4" socket. Clean all the oil, paint and crud from the stud. Clean the wire terminal of the cable and reattach securely.
A suggestion regarding the braided cable:
I prefer to add a #4 Gauge cable from the firewall to a bolt on the rear of the intake manifold, either to a heat shield bolt or fuel rail bolt. A cable about 18" long with a 3/8" lug on each end works great and you can get one at any parts store already made up. Napa has them as part number 781116.
A further improvement to the grounding system can be made using a #4 cable, about 10" long with 3/8" terminals at each end. Attach one end of this cable to the negative battery bolt and the other end under the closest 10mm headed bolt on the radiator support just forward of the battery. Napa part number 781115.
For those of us with Comanches, it’s very important to remove the driver’s side taillamp assembly to access the ground for the fuel pump. Remove the screw holding the black ground wire. Scrape the paint from the body and corrosion from the wire terminal. Reattach securely.
If you want to upgrade your grounds and battery cables in general, contact Jon at
www.kelleyswip.com. He makes an incredible cable upgrade for a very reasonable price.
 
Revised 03-04-2013
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