Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.

1998 XJ Runs Like Crap

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 22, 2014 | 11:36 AM
  #1  
HunterRivett's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee
Default 1998 XJ Runs Like Crap

Hello. I recently purchased a 1998 XJ, 4x4, Automatic, 4.0 I6 with 160000 miles. There is no catalytic converter on it, and only the upstream o2 sensor is on. I am using Autolite plugs. It rarely starts, when it does it starts after the key has come back a little. It idles really rough, and on acceleration, backfires rapidly at 2000 rpms. I have checked power on all gauges, and they all read NO POWER. PCM? I need help in my fixing process. I have ordered a catalytic converter and o2 sensor. I will put them on in a week. After that, what should I check and replace. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2014 | 12:15 PM
  #2  
Fred/N0AZZ's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,554
Likes: 17
From: Monett, MO.
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Once you have those installed those see what codes your getting then. In the mean time clean all electrical connections from steering column to the PCM along with all sensor connections. Disconnect clean use dielectric grease then reconnect without bending pins but seated solidly.

If you have not done a "complete" tune-up since purchase it might be a good time to consider that also to rule those out.
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2014 | 12:21 PM
  #3  
Crazy 8s's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 896
Likes: 2
From: Phoenix, A-to-Z
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Reply
Old Nov 22, 2014 | 12:35 PM
  #4  
CCKen's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 8,357
Likes: 103
From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Do Not use dielectric grease on any ground connection or in a connector.

Use only on exterior light bulb sockets and spark plug boots.,
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2014 | 12:57 PM
  #5  
CCKen's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 8,357
Likes: 103
From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by HunterRivett
Hello. I recently purchased a 1998 XJ, 4x4, Automatic, 4.0 I6 with 160000 miles. There is no catalytic converter on it, and only the upstream o2 sensor is on. I am using Autolite plugs. It rarely starts, when it does it starts after the key has come back a little. It idles really rough, and on acceleration, backfires rapidly at 2000 rpms. I have checked power on all gauges, and they all read NO POWER. PCM? I need help in my fixing process. I have ordered a catalytic converter and o2 sensor. I will put them on in a week. After that, what should I check and replace. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
What do you mean by gauges all read NO POWER?

Fuse #9 in the Junction Block (passenger footwell fuse panel) powers the instrument cluster, fuse #16 in the Power Distribution Center (engine bay) also provides power to the instrument cluster. Fuse #16 is the IOD fuse, identified on the PDC cover.

Name:  99XJJunctionBlock-1.jpg
Views: 26
Size:  78.1 KB
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2014 | 01:45 PM
  #6  
HunterRivett's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by CCKen
What do you mean by gauges all read NO POWER?

Fuse #9 in the Junction Block (passenger footwell fuse panel) powers the instrument cluster, fuse #16 in the Power Distribution Center (engine bay) also provides power to the instrument cluster. Fuse #16 is the IOD fuse, identified on the PDC cover.

When checking sensors, not gauges, sorry.
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2014 | 02:44 PM
  #7  
XJwonders's Avatar
CF Veteran
Premium Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 19,219
Likes: 45
From: west chester, pa
Year: 1999
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by CCKen
Do Not use dielectric grease on any ground connection or in a connector. Use only on exterior light bulb sockets and spark plug boots.,
out of curiosity, how come?
Reply
Old Nov 22, 2014 | 02:45 PM
  #8  
CCKen's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 8,357
Likes: 103
From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by HunterRivett
When checking sensors, not gauges, sorry.
Sensors? Like the TPS, MAP, CPS?

You should have 5 volts +/- .5 volts at the connector Orange wire on each of these sensors with the ignition switch to RUN/ON position (without crankng the engne).
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2014 | 10:23 AM
  #9  
HunterRivett's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 29
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee
Default

Originally Posted by CCKen
Sensors? Like the TPS, MAP, CPS?

You should have 5 volts +/- .5 volts at the connector Orange wire on each of these sensors with the ignition switch to RUN/ON position (without crankng the engne).
One gauge, the TPS, said 0.4, all others said 0-0.1. No power.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2014 | 10:47 AM
  #10  
Fred/N0AZZ's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,554
Likes: 17
From: Monett, MO.
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by CCKen
Do Not use dielectric grease on any ground connection or in a connector.

Use only on exterior light bulb sockets and spark plug boots.,
Ken I have always used the Dielectric Grease on any connections where water can come into contact with. I'm ashamed to say I have had a few 4x4's in the water up to the dash/over the engine several times in the past that were not greased and they really gave me problems later. Have always used on exterior lighting on about everything I own from the boat trailer to the Diesel Pusher Motor Home.

What problems have I caused by using it on the connectors for everything on my XJ? Have I went too far with a good thing, out thinking myself and ended up shooting myself in the foot

Wouldn't be the first time for sure lol.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2014 | 11:00 AM
  #11  
SteveMongr's Avatar
Beach Bum
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 6,123
Likes: 22
From: Cape Hatteras, North Carolina
Year: 2000 WJ
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Dielectric grease is non-conductive, it will prevent current flow. When used in an electrical connection such as a multi-pin, it can prevent pin contact unless all of grease on pins is pushed aside upon connecting.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2014 | 11:24 AM
  #12  
XJwonders's Avatar
CF Veteran
Premium Member
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 19,219
Likes: 45
From: west chester, pa
Year: 1999
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by SteveMongr
Dielectric grease is non-conductive, it will prevent current flow. When used in an electrical connection such as a multi-pin, it can prevent pin contact unless all of grease on pins is pushed aside upon connecting.
makes sense now
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2014 | 11:30 AM
  #13  
SteveMongr's Avatar
Beach Bum
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 6,123
Likes: 22
From: Cape Hatteras, North Carolina
Year: 2000 WJ
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by XJwonders
makes sense now
Conductive grease has the opposite effect and can cause big trouble as well.
If used on a multi-pin, it is done in tiny amounts directly on the pin. The grease can cause current to jump pins if too much is applied.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2014 | 12:29 PM
  #14  
CCKen's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 8,357
Likes: 103
From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by XJwonders
out of curiosity, how come?
Dielectric grease is an insulator. Used in connectors that have marginal pin/cavity contact the dielectric grease will only serve to agrivate the situation. Same with ground connections; it will insulate the connection. There are conductive products that are specifically used for ground connections, like NOALOX and OX-GARD, but are not to be used in pin connectors.

If you check each connector on your Jeep you will not find dielectric grease in them, nor on the ground connections. You will find it being used on external lamps, like headlights and tail lights on just about all vehcles.

EDIT: As a side bar, a foum member PM'd me to tell me he had read one of my posts about not using dielectric grease on pin connectors. He stated that he had problems with his CPS so he removed the grease and it fixed his problem. Proof of the pudding mates.

Last edited by CCKen; Nov 23, 2014 at 12:40 PM.
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2014 | 12:35 PM
  #15  
CCKen's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 8,357
Likes: 103
From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by HunterRivett
One gauge, the TPS, said 0.4, all others said 0-0.1. No power.
Hope you are using the 20 VDC scale on your digital voltmeter, and have the ignition switch to the ON/run position.

Generally, if you see low voltage readings on all the 5 volt supply voltage (Orange) sensor wires (like you are seeing) it means the PCM is bad. On the other hand, if you see voltages above the 5 volt +/- .5 volt spec it means the clockspring is bad.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:55 PM.