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Old Feb 2, 2013 | 08:35 AM
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I have a 1998 Jeep Cherokee Classic. When you let the car idle for a few mins its fine. But after like maybe 2 mins you hear it idle rough. you give it some gas and your good to go. Also if you let it idle and warm up a little bit and then drive as soon as your around 20-30mph you can feel it bog. if you floor the gas and wait for the pop your good and it wont do anything anymore. if you dont let it pop you have to keep hitting the gas and letting go when you feel it bog. (tap and go until it stops) any ideas?
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 06:48 AM
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I'm having a problem with my '96. (O2 sensors)
I had to disconnect the MAS to stop it flooding and stalling.
This allows me to drive it but it will bog down.
If you try that and there is no difference, it might be the MAS.
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 07:39 AM
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MAS? You mean the Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor?

Is the CEL on?

It is a very good idea to check your MAP and TPS for function in this case.


TPS testing:

Originally Posted by tjwalker
The throttle position sensor is connected to the throttle shaft on the throttle body. It sends throttle valve angle information to the PCM. The PCM uses this information to determine how much fuel the engine needs. The TPS is really just a simple potentiometer with one end connected to 5 volts from the PCM and the other to ground. A third wire is connected to the PCM. As you move the accelerator pedal with your foot, the output of the TPS changes. At a closed throttle position, the output of the TPS is low, about a half a volt. As the throttle valve opens, the output increases so that, at wide open throttle, the output voltage should be above 3.9 volts. Testing can be performed with an electrical meter. Analog meter is best. You are looking for a smooth sweep of voltage throughout the entire throttle band. While slowly opening and closing the throttle, take note to the movement of the voltmeter needle. There should be a direct relationship between the needle motion to the motion of the throttle. If at anytime the needle moves abruptly or inconsistently with the movement of the throttle, the TPS is bad

You should have 5 volts going into the TPS. At idle, TPS output voltage must be greater than 200 millivolts. At wide open throttle (WOT), TPS output voltage must be less than 4.8 volts.. The best is to use an analog meter (not digital) to see if the transition from idle to WOT is smooth with no dead spots. With your meter set for volts, put the black probe on a good ground like your negative battery terminal. With the key on, engine not running, test with the red probe of your meter (install a paper clip into the back of the plug of the TPS) to see which wire has the 5 volts. One of the other wires should show .26V (or so). The other wire will be the ground and should show no voltage. Move the throttle and look for smooth meter response up to the 4.49 at WOT.

Perform the test procedure again and wiggle and/or tap on the TPS while you watch the meter. If you notice any flat spots or abrupt changes in the meter readings, replace the TPS.

The TPS is sensitive to heat, moisture and vibration leading to the failure of some units. The sensor is a sealed unit and cannot be repaired only replaced. A TPS may fail gradually leading to a number of symptoms which can include one or more of the following: -

NOTE: The throttle position sensor is also DIRECTLY involved with transmission shifting characteristics! It should be verified early in the troubleshooting process, when a transmission issue is suspected!

• Poor idle control: The TPS is used by the ECU to determine if the throttle is closed and the car should be using the Idle Air Control Valve exclusively for idle control. A fault TPS sensor can confuse the ECU causing the idle to be erratic or "hunting".
• High Idle Speed: The TPS may report faulty values causing the engine idle speed to be increased above normal. This is normally found in conjunction with a slow engine return to idle speed symptom.
• Slow engine return to idle: A failing TPS can report the minimum throttle position values incorrectly which can stop the engine entering idle mode when the throttle is closed. Normally when the throttle is closed the engine fuel injectors will be deactivated until a defined engine RPM speed is reached and the engine brought smoothly to idle speed. When failing a TPS will not report the throttle closed and fueling will continue causing the engine to return to idle very slowly.
• Engine Hesitation on Throttle Application: The TPS is also used by the ECU to determine if the driver has applied the throttle quicker than the Manifold Air Pressure sensor can read. The fueling is adjusted acordingly to cope with the sudden increase in air volume, however a faulty sensor can cause the ECU to ignore this data and the engine will "hesitate" when applying the throttle. In extreme cases with the engine at idle, a sudden application of full throttle can stall the engine.
• Engine Misfire: A fault TPS can report values outside the deined acceptable range causing the ECU to incorrectly fuel the engine. This is noticable as a slight misfire and can trigger the misfire detection software and/or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on the dashboard. Extreme cases can cause excessing misfires resulting in one or more cylinders being shut down to prevent engine and catalytic converter damage.
MAP testing: http://troubleshootmyvehicle.com/jee...the-map-sensor

Before you get into MAP testing check that there is good vacuum to it. 1998 has the MAP bolted to the throttle body itself. Check for vacuum leaks with some carb cleaner. It is a good idea to disassemble the whole throttle body and gently clean everything with some throttle body cleaner and a toothbrush.


Now all this said, the O2 sensors a very strong suspect. It sounds like your Jeep is running rough once it enters open-loop mode. While the engine is cold the PCM basically ignores the O2s. If they're original I wouldn't hesitate to replace them with brand new NTK units
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 08:45 AM
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my 98 classic was doing the same thing, new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, cleaned the tps and throttle body fixed the issue
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Old Feb 7, 2013 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 98classick
my 98 classic was doing the same thing, new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, cleaned the tps and throttle body fixed the issue
Should of just cleaned the TPS
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by salad
MAS? You mean the Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor?

Is the CEL on?

It is a very good idea to check your MAP and TPS for function in this case.


TPS testing:
Mass Airflow Sensor.
Jeep calls it M.A.P. sensor.

It is on the throttle body.

Joe
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 08:37 AM
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If your cel is on. read the code. This same thing happened to my 00 sport. It threw a code for a #3 injector. Replaced the injector and havent bogged down since.
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Old Feb 8, 2013 | 08:37 AM
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MAF and MAP serve a similar function but do not work they same way. There's a reason they're named differently
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