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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dukie564
Yea, in the past few weeks that's pretty much a hopeless email address....

Any luck contacting him???
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dukie564
No luck on my end Dukie. You live close by him?
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 10:33 AM
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Tried his FB page?
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 94XjSport94
Tried his FB page?
Facebook page is taken down, as is his website
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 02:18 PM
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So in addition to the $600 he took off me, how many others out there has he robbed?

And yes, he has "robbed" me. Today is DAY 536 since he received my $600 and has not delivered the product.

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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 02:36 PM
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Somebody just go to his shop in North Carolina.. I almost drove down from PA and I only waited 6 months and I thought that was bad..
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by number9
So in addition to the $600 he took off me, how many others out there has he robbed?

And yes, he has "robbed" me. Today is DAY 536 since he received my $600 and has not delivered the product.

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I'm not sure that i'm ready to declare that i've been "stolen" from, but i am definitely 400+ days in and out $600+
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gottarollwithit
I'm not sure that i'm ready to declare that i've been "stolen" from, but i am definitely 400+ days in and out $600+
I don't know what else to call it.

And just so everyone knows that I have not been some annoying customer, here it is in black and white.....

Chris received my money on 5-10-13. I sent this email to him on 5-28-14. ONE YEAR later.

Chris, I understand you are very busy and have been overwhelmed with the success of your bumpers.

I placed an order for:
- Flat Top front bumper, Ext Sides, add hitch
- Rear bumper with hitch

The timeline of our communications have been:

4-14-13 - You quoted me "Original price shipped is $625 and ill do $600. If your not running cut
fenders you need the extend sides they go back to the flairs"

4-22-13 - I mailed Money Order for payment

5-10-13 - You PM'ed me that you received the Money Order for my order.

2-9-14 - I asked for update and was told "I had your order info in my books and I over looked it im
very sorry and ill get your shipped very soon I sorry for the long wait."

4-9-14 - I asked for update and was told "Should not be much longer"

5-24-14 - asked for update with no response as of 5-28-14

I have been very patient during the wait, but it's worn out. I want my money back and I'll just get some bumpers somewhere else or make my own.

Thank you,
Number9
His response the next day, 5-29-14

Your rear is next to ship I plan to finish it today after work.
and my reply to him, same day

Chris, I am not at all trying to be difficult in any way. I have been very patient and understanding. I know this is your side gig and you have a day job and family - I do too and I know if I was in your spot I'd not want to come home and build bumpers every dang day.

I will extend my patience once again, but here is where I am at....

You have had $600 of my money for over 1 year and have not sent me the product I paid for with quoted lead time of 6+ weeks.

Today is 5-29-14.

No later than Friday June 13th - 2 weeks from now - I either want my bumpers sitting in my driveway or my money in my mailbox. Not a tracking #, not "on the way", not anything other than IN MY HANDS.

It doesn't matter to me which one you send, but I want one or the other and you can decide which ever one is easier for you to guarantee I have IN MY HANDS by June 13.


Thank you,
Number9
His reply, same day

You well see your bumpers
One month later, still after no replies, bumpers or money, I contacted his Sheriff's Dept and they told me to contact mine to file the complaint, which I did. I gave them all the documentation I'd compiled on the matter. My Sheriff's Dept called and spoke to him.

The next day 6-27-14 we had the following exchange

Chris
"Man im sorry about all this I have went busted on trying to get everyone's orders out I never wanted to take anyone's money just want to put out a great product at a great price I have quit taking orders and im doing all I can im going to get you some money bumper want ever it takes man I've just run into some bad luck and im trying to pull out of it if you could email me I can get back to you faster."
Me
Chris, I am not trying to be rude or difficult. I have exhausted my patients and asking you for updates. I am done waiting, I am done being ignored and put off again and again, I am done talking about it. I've been in discussions with the United States Postal Service regarding mail fraud / theft by mail, your local sheriff department as well as my local sheriff department and I am leaving in their hands. I want my $600 back. End of story.
Chris
I have done talked to your sheriff department about this I'm trying to work with you the best I can I'm not trying to take your money, they told me to work with you and work things out and that's what I'm doing.
Me
Please just return my $600. Paypal to this email or US Postal Money Order will be fine
That's the last I've heard from him. 6-27-14, FOUR MONTHS ago.

In my book, I've been stolen from.

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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 08:02 PM
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It's really a shame that all this happened. His bumpers were sweet and very well priced. Unfortunately, he may have honestly gotten into some personal troubles or just got too backed up but, here is where good business practices come into play. I fab odds and ends for people in my spare time but, I NEVER spend the money they give me until I have finished the job 100%. That's the main reason as to why I haven't started a legit fab shop. It's way too easy to get in over your head. I don't know about you guys but, where I come from, ripping someone off ~$600 is plenty enough reason to get your *** beat
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Old Oct 29, 2014 | 12:20 PM
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Does anybody here live in NC that would be willing to try and locate this guy? Preferably record the entire encounter with your phone too to see what he has to say.

This is absurd and we all need answers.
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Old Oct 29, 2014 | 12:22 PM
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I'm in NC for the week with family. Any idea where his shop is?
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Old Oct 29, 2014 | 01:15 PM
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Mount airy not sure on exact location
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Old Oct 29, 2014 | 01:19 PM
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Not sure if I'll be able to do that one. Quite away from me. I'll remember to stay away from sales in that area though
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Old Oct 29, 2014 | 01:20 PM
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Mt. Airy, NC
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Old Oct 29, 2014 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by agrasso5567
Mount airy not sure on exact location
Originally Posted by 94XjSport94
Mt. Airy, NC
Both right.
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