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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Hayden98XJ
And not to mention with that kind of weight and power it would rip your frame rails in half without stiffeners/ reinforcement. If your dead set on a swap then V8 ls swap all the way. Look up serious offroad's swap it's probably the most in-depth for the 5.3L
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1007477
But it takes a lot of work and fab skill that most people aren't willing or able to do. If you want more power out of your 4.0l then look up doing a stroker, it gives you a bit more power and drops right back in it also requires no other modifications from stock besides higher flowing injectors. And if that power isn't enough for you then you can always throw on a supercharger and have it tuned.
hell yea ive looked over that thread quite a bit! i want a 5.3L bad. lol
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 12:25 AM
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Any time I hear about someone wanting to do an engine swap, my first questions is "why?"

Unless you are building a huge rig with 35"+ tires and planning on King of the Hammers kinda wheeling, or you want your XJ to show off to the ricers and US muscle in stoplight drags, I just don't see the point. And in those cases the engine is just the start. For the time and money involved there are a ton of other improvements that can be made, to the 4.0 and elsewhere, that will have higher returns on investment.
It also doesn't help that most of the shadetree types don't stop and think about the vehicle as a system, and plan for all the interrelated issues. They'll put a huge motor in, but leave stock axle shafts. Or they put 33's on and don't re-gear, and then wonder why they have no off-the-line power. They cut and slice and cram 35's on there, and then leave the stock front a rear brakes and use cheap AutoZone tie rods and ball joints.
The 4.0 is quite adequate during normal street use. Once off-road, proper transfer case usage coupled with proper tire and gear combo (and driving skill) will get you through damn near anything. I've seen older 4 cylinder Toyota trucks (properly set up from soup to nuts) do amazing things with comparatively little power and torque.
I'd suggest forgetting an engine swap and the myriad of complications and considerations involved, and instead beef up axles, look at a gear change, and possibly doing an Atlas T-case, adapt a Rubicon 4:1 T-case, or something similar if you want more off-road grunt.
If you really must have more power, look at upgraded injectors, better exhaust, bored throttle body, and the like. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to squeeze an additional 30 HP out of the 4.0 with comparatively cheap bolt-ons. You could also go full-tilt and do the supercharger, which if IRC nets you an extra 90 HP.
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by macgyver35
Any time I hear about someone wanting to do an engine swap, my first questions is "why?"

Unless you are building a huge rig with 35"+ tires and planning on King of the Hammers kinda wheeling, or you want your XJ to show off to the ricers and US muscle in stoplight drags, I just don't see the point. And in those cases the engine is just the start. For the time and money involved there are a ton of other improvements that can be made, to the 4.0 and elsewhere, that will have higher returns on investment.
It also doesn't help that most of the shadetree types don't stop and think about the vehicle as a system, and plan for all the interrelated issues. They'll put a huge motor in, but leave stock axle shafts. Or they put 33's on and don't re-gear, and then wonder why they have no off-the-line power. They cut and slice and cram 35's on there, and then leave the stock front a rear brakes and use cheap AutoZone tie rods and ball joints.
The 4.0 is quite adequate during normal street use. Once off-road, proper transfer case usage coupled with proper tire and gear combo (and driving skill) will get you through damn near anything. I've seen older 4 cylinder Toyota trucks (properly set up from soup to nuts) do amazing things with comparatively little power and torque.
I'd suggest forgetting an engine swap and the myriad of complications and considerations involved, and instead beef up axles, look at a gear change, and possibly doing an Atlas T-case, adapt a Rubicon 4:1 T-case, or something similar if you want more off-road grunt.
If you really must have more power, look at upgraded injectors, better exhaust, bored throttle body, and the like. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to squeeze an additional 30 HP out of the 4.0 with comparatively cheap bolt-ons. You could also go full-tilt and do the supercharger, which if IRC nets you an extra 90 HP.
to each his own. i love the 4.0, but i also like to tinker and be a bit different, eventually ill run out of things to monkey with, and thats when the 5.3 comes into play (probably 3-5 years) but i more than plan on having stiffners/built axles/beefed up brakes before hand, but till then ill be keeping up with my 4.0
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by macgyver35
Any time I hear about someone wanting to do an engine swap, my first questions is "why?"

Unless you are building a huge rig with 35"+ tires and planning on King of the Hammers kinda wheeling, or you want your XJ to show off to the ricers and US muscle in stoplight drags, I just don't see the point. And in those cases the engine is just the start. For the time and money involved there are a ton of other improvements that can be made, to the 4.0 and elsewhere, that will have higher returns on investment.
It also doesn't help that most of the shadetree types don't stop and think about the vehicle as a system, and plan for all the interrelated issues. They'll put a huge motor in, but leave stock axle shafts. Or they put 33's on and don't re-gear, and then wonder why they have no off-the-line power. They cut and slice and cram 35's on there, and then leave the stock front a rear brakes and use cheap AutoZone tie rods and ball joints.
The 4.0 is quite adequate during normal street use. Once off-road, proper transfer case usage coupled with proper tire and gear combo (and driving skill) will get you through damn near anything. I've seen older 4 cylinder Toyota trucks (properly set up from soup to nuts) do amazing things with comparatively little power and torque.
I'd suggest forgetting an engine swap and the myriad of complications and considerations involved, and instead beef up axles, look at a gear change, and possibly doing an Atlas T-case, adapt a Rubicon 4:1 T-case, or something similar if you want more off-road grunt.
If you really must have more power, look at upgraded injectors, better exhaust, bored throttle body, and the like. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to squeeze an additional 30 HP out of the 4.0 with comparatively cheap bolt-ons. You could also go full-tilt and do the supercharger, which if IRC nets you an extra 90 HP.
AMEN!
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 07:31 AM
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Not everyone wants to be average. If the engine is toast and you want to upgrade, go for it. There will be people crying that your tearing the heart out of it. You're putting a stronger one in it's place. An LS would be an excellent choice. A lot of aftermarket support which you might only have for a couple engines.

Swap away.
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Old Aug 10, 2014 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PumpinIron
If I was going to waste money throwing a new motor in the Jeep you can bet your *** it would be a Cummins diesel and NOTHING else.
Originally Posted by Gary Briggs
4bt cummins or leave it stock!
Typical coal rolling diesel fan boys...

Originally Posted by cleenrob
ill be swaping in a 5.3 vortec in a few years i hope, my opinion tho: dont waste your time i swapping in another six cylinder, if your gonna do the swap do somethhing wort the time and money
This.

Originally Posted by macgyver35
Any time I hear about someone wanting to do an engine swap, my first questions is "why?"

Unless you are building a huge rig with 35"+ tires and planning on King of the Hammers kinda wheeling, or you want your XJ to show off to the ricers and US muscle in stoplight drags, I just don't see the point. And in those cases the engine is just the start. For the time and money involved there are a ton of other improvements that can be made, to the 4.0 and elsewhere, that will have higher returns on investment.
It also doesn't help that most of the shadetree types don't stop and think about the vehicle as a system, and plan for all the interrelated issues. They'll put a huge motor in, but leave stock axle shafts. Or they put 33's on and don't re-gear, and then wonder why they have no off-the-line power. They cut and slice and cram 35's on there, and then leave the stock front a rear brakes and use cheap AutoZone tie rods and ball joints.
The 4.0 is quite adequate during normal street use. Once off-road, proper transfer case usage coupled with proper tire and gear combo (and driving skill) will get you through damn near anything. I've seen older 4 cylinder Toyota trucks (properly set up from soup to nuts) do amazing things with comparatively little power and torque.
I'd suggest forgetting an engine swap and the myriad of complications and considerations involved, and instead beef up axles, look at a gear change, and possibly doing an Atlas T-case, adapt a Rubicon 4:1 T-case, or something similar if you want more off-road grunt.
If you really must have more power, look at upgraded injectors, better exhaust, bored throttle body, and the like. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to squeeze an additional 30 HP out of the 4.0 with comparatively cheap bolt-ons. You could also go full-tilt and do the supercharger, which if IRC nets you an extra 90 HP.
I agree. The 4.0 has lots of low end power that is just right for crawling and trail riding. With other upgrades (axles and t case) you can have a perfectly capable rig. Typically V8's are swapped in for wheel speed and raw power. For what people on this site do, the 4.0 is all they will ever need. Dirt riot, ECORS, SRRS, ARC, and KOH all have big power to push their big ol rigs around fast. XJ's dont go fast for long without serious work.

If anyone does an engine swap and intends to wheel it, serious frame plating is needed. All 3 dimensions and some good cross bracing.

Here is some motivation for a good swap:
I have seen this in person and is probably one of the cleanest Jeep mods I have ever seen.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...72676100,d.b2U
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 12:05 PM
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Maybe I should of been more clear on the why. My jeep runs very well and love the 4.0. The reason for swap is I wanted a base I could get roughly 500+ HP out of for sand drags, mud racing, and the occasional given butt hurt to a Honda. The reason for sticking with a 6 cylinder is I can run class 1 at my local tracks which is 4&6 cyl vehicles up yo 34" tires. Now. If I went Ls, I would not be able to run class 1. But. There again. An LS could be an option. I don't rock crawl. I barely trail ride, so top end is more what I am looking for. so for all the hurts feelings and yelling everyone did to one another. Just was kind of a what if question more than anything.
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 05:15 PM
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It's your rig, do as you like. You can ask 4.3Xj about his build/swap for advice either here or on NAXJA. As for power. You can buy a direct bolt in 4.7 Stroker motor with 275hp and bolt a few extra pieces to it like headers and intake and have money to spare for stuff like gears, suspension, etc...
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthwoodsXJ72
Maybe I should of been more clear on the why. My jeep runs very well and love the 4.0. The reason for swap is I wanted a base I could get roughly 500+ HP out of for sand drags, mud racing, and the occasional given butt hurt to a Honda. The reason for sticking with a 6 cylinder is I can run class 1 at my local tracks which is 4&6 cyl vehicles up yo 34" tires. Now. If I went Ls, I would not be able to run class 1. But. There again. An LS could be an option. I don't rock crawl. I barely trail ride, so top end is more what I am looking for. so for all the hurts feelings and yelling everyone did to one another. Just was kind of a what if question more than anything.
Only 500+? That's gonna be $$$$.
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 11:39 PM
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Rough number. I'd be happy with 350-400 but that's me.
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthwoodsXJ72
Maybe I should of been more clear on the why. My jeep runs very well and love the 4.0. The reason for swap is I wanted a base I could get roughly 500+ HP out of for sand drags, mud racing, and the occasional given butt hurt to a Honda. The reason for sticking with a 6 cylinder is I can run class 1 at my local tracks which is 4&6 cyl vehicles up yo 34" tires. Now. If I went Ls, I would not be able to run class 1. But. There again. An LS could be an option. I don't rock crawl. I barely trail ride, so top end is more what I am looking for. so for all the hurts feelings and yelling everyone did to one another. Just was kind of a what if question more than anything.
For 6 cylinder with top end I'd look at a 2jz which you can get whatever power you want out of or a 1jz which will be cheaper but the aftermarket support isn't as good. The rb26 would also be a good option you'd probably need the tranny out of both of these. If 4 cylinder is more your bag i d probably do the sr20 or ka24 but you'll be more limited on torque. Any of these options you can build out at least 500hp. That 2jz and rb will get you well over that if your pockets are deep. There is also the vq30. I'm not sure of any other 6 cylinders that you'd be able to get reliable 500+ power with top end out of aside from those. Maybe that vortec with boost.

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Old Aug 16, 2014 | 01:16 PM
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I am all for boost/ nitrous gains.
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Old Aug 16, 2014 | 04:20 PM
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I'd just get a V-8 ZJ and wheel the pi** out of it.
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Old Aug 16, 2014 | 11:00 PM
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Since you want to stay 6 cylinder i have a crazy idea for you.Gmc made a big v6 in the 60s from a 305 up to a 478.The 478 made 254hp but 442 foot pounds at 1400 rpm.The sucky part they are heavy and have no aftermarket.If your looking for max power and can run power adders see how hard it is to run a gm 3800 supercharged rwd.Or ford 3.8 supercharged both engines have a big aftermarket.
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Old Aug 17, 2014 | 12:19 PM
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just do an atlas swap. research them before knocking it. they are very capable engines.
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