Sway bar disconnects=roll over?
01-20-2018, 05:27 PM
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All I'm saying is these rigs have been built with sway bars for good reason. Sure 60s- 80 might not have had them, but come on, it's a 90s vehicle and an xj is no f350 haha
I've driven without sway bars just to see what it's like on the road and after a week I was completely fine. BUT, we jeepers have the pics online that show what comes of the consequences when you should have had sway bars. it's not a one time event, people flip, roll, crash all the time from lack there of sway bars.
I decided my jeep was drivable without them, sure, but I had experience on why they were there as well and thus kept them. Again just my opinion and how I felt, but it is good for us to consider if a particular mod could ever impact other drivers should something go wrong. Hell maybe your comfortable without running them and just wouldnt mind steering off the road to avoid someone, idk. Just encouraging a safe route. Do what suites your better judgement per the application OP.
I've driven without sway bars just to see what it's like on the road and after a week I was completely fine. BUT, we jeepers have the pics online that show what comes of the consequences when you should have had sway bars. it's not a one time event, people flip, roll, crash all the time from lack there of sway bars.
I decided my jeep was drivable without them, sure, but I had experience on why they were there as well and thus kept them. Again just my opinion and how I felt, but it is good for us to consider if a particular mod could ever impact other drivers should something go wrong. Hell maybe your comfortable without running them and just wouldnt mind steering off the road to avoid someone, idk. Just encouraging a safe route. Do what suites your better judgement per the application OP.
OK, then you need to also preach about not putting larger & heavier roof racks on cherokees, or putting heavy spare tires up on top of cherokees (roll-overs), or putting suspension lifts & larger tires on cherokees (stopping, steering pretty much everything)......none of which were the cherokee designed for or built to handle, and all of which contribute more than a disconnected sway bar to the accidents that happen.
01-20-2018, 08:49 PM
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OK, then you need to also preach about not putting larger & heavier roof racks on cherokees, or putting heavy spare tires up on top of cherokees (roll-overs), or putting suspension lifts & larger tires on cherokees (stopping, steering pretty much everything)......none of which were the cherokee designed for or built to handle, and all of which contribute more than a disconnected sway bar to the accidents that happen.
EVERY mod you do is against the grain to the original config. People mod for their own reasons, and then deal with their choice. Adapt or die, haha
01-20-2018, 08:54 PM
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OK, then you need to also preach about not putting larger & heavier roof racks on cherokees, or putting heavy spare tires up on top of cherokees (roll-overs), or putting suspension lifts & larger tires on cherokees (stopping, steering pretty much everything)......none of which were the cherokee designed for or built to handle, and all of which contribute more than a disconnected sway bar to the accidents that happen.
01-21-2018, 09:05 PM
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I will weigh in on the value of the sway bar off road, as that was your initial question. I see this thread has digressed into the typical heated argument about sway bars.
I enjoy driving on the beach in the OBX. There are some twisty trails on the islands you can run through with some speed. I come from fast cars to jeeps, so I LOVE those trails. When I first started going out there, I kept the sway bar connected. The jeep handled well (considering it's on 33s w/ 5" of lift), not quite race car, but I could throw it through the trails. Unfortunately I found out the hard way the stock sway bar mounts are not engineered for such loads. The sway bar will act as the limiting factor for the suspension travel. Bent the hell out of the mounts.
So, I started disconnecting the sway bar when I go on the beach. I don't want to rip the sway bar mounts apart. At first it was unnerving the amount of roll the jeep had in the twisties. I have not feared rolling it over, I'm in sand, it doesn't have enough traction to tip. But my ability to slalom at speed is nil. So much body roll it's concerning, but I have gotten used to it and do not believe it is hazardous.
Now, it seems most wheeling is more technical at slower speeds. I have taken it into the woods and rocks, and it is GREAT having the bar disconnected. You are moving slow enough the body roll isn't an issue at all. But the traction you gain is night and day difference.
If I were out west doing Prerunner wheeling in the dessert, I would look at installing an Antirock type sway bar.
I enjoy driving on the beach in the OBX. There are some twisty trails on the islands you can run through with some speed. I come from fast cars to jeeps, so I LOVE those trails. When I first started going out there, I kept the sway bar connected. The jeep handled well (considering it's on 33s w/ 5" of lift), not quite race car, but I could throw it through the trails. Unfortunately I found out the hard way the stock sway bar mounts are not engineered for such loads. The sway bar will act as the limiting factor for the suspension travel. Bent the hell out of the mounts.
So, I started disconnecting the sway bar when I go on the beach. I don't want to rip the sway bar mounts apart. At first it was unnerving the amount of roll the jeep had in the twisties. I have not feared rolling it over, I'm in sand, it doesn't have enough traction to tip. But my ability to slalom at speed is nil. So much body roll it's concerning, but I have gotten used to it and do not believe it is hazardous.
Now, it seems most wheeling is more technical at slower speeds. I have taken it into the woods and rocks, and it is GREAT having the bar disconnected. You are moving slow enough the body roll isn't an issue at all. But the traction you gain is night and day difference.
If I were out west doing Prerunner wheeling in the dessert, I would look at installing an Antirock type sway bar.
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All I'm saying is these rigs have been built with sway bars for good reason. Sure 60s- 80 might not have had them, but come on, it's a 90s vehicle and an xj is no f350 haha
I've driven without sway bars just to see what it's like on the road and after a week I was completely fine. BUT, we jeepers have the pics online that show what comes of the consequences when you should have had sway bars. it's not a one time event, people flip, roll, crash all the time from lack there of sway bars.
I decided my jeep was drivable without them, sure, but I had experience on why they were there as well and thus kept them. Again just my opinion and how I felt, but it is good for us to consider if a particular mod could ever impact other drivers should something go wrong. Hell maybe your comfortable without running them and just wouldnt mind steering off the road to avoid someone, idk. Just encouraging a safe route. Do what suites your better judgement per the application OP.
I've driven without sway bars just to see what it's like on the road and after a week I was completely fine. BUT, we jeepers have the pics online that show what comes of the consequences when you should have had sway bars. it's not a one time event, people flip, roll, crash all the time from lack there of sway bars.
I decided my jeep was drivable without them, sure, but I had experience on why they were there as well and thus kept them. Again just my opinion and how I felt, but it is good for us to consider if a particular mod could ever impact other drivers should something go wrong. Hell maybe your comfortable without running them and just wouldnt mind steering off the road to avoid someone, idk. Just encouraging a safe route. Do what suites your better judgement per the application OP.
01-22-2018, 12:52 AM
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Do you happen to know what will make a vehicle roll 10 times more often than not having a sway bar? A lift kit. And bigger tires. It is a simple fact of vehicle dynamics. So I hope your Jeep is 100% stock because if it is not then you are endangering everyone on the planet.
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I will weigh in on the value of the sway bar off road, as that was your initial question. I see this thread has digressed into the typical heated argument about sway bars.
I enjoy driving on the beach in the OBX. There are some twisty trails on the islands you can run through with some speed. I come from fast cars to jeeps, so I LOVE those trails. When I first started going out there, I kept the sway bar connected. The jeep handled well (considering it's on 33s w/ 5" of lift), not quite race car, but I could throw it through the trails. Unfortunately I found out the hard way the stock sway bar mounts are not engineered for such loads. The sway bar will act as the limiting factor for the suspension travel. Bent the hell out of the mounts.
So, I started disconnecting the sway bar when I go on the beach. I don't want to rip the sway bar mounts apart. At first it was unnerving the amount of roll the jeep had in the twisties. I have not feared rolling it over, I'm in sand, it doesn't have enough traction to tip. But my ability to slalom at speed is nil. So much body roll it's concerning, but I have gotten used to it and do not believe it is hazardous.
Now, it seems most wheeling is more technical at slower speeds. I have taken it into the woods and rocks, and it is GREAT having the bar disconnected. You are moving slow enough the body roll isn't an issue at all. But the traction you gain is night and day difference.
If I were out west doing Prerunner wheeling in the dessert, I would look at installing an Antirock type sway bar.
I enjoy driving on the beach in the OBX. There are some twisty trails on the islands you can run through with some speed. I come from fast cars to jeeps, so I LOVE those trails. When I first started going out there, I kept the sway bar connected. The jeep handled well (considering it's on 33s w/ 5" of lift), not quite race car, but I could throw it through the trails. Unfortunately I found out the hard way the stock sway bar mounts are not engineered for such loads. The sway bar will act as the limiting factor for the suspension travel. Bent the hell out of the mounts.
So, I started disconnecting the sway bar when I go on the beach. I don't want to rip the sway bar mounts apart. At first it was unnerving the amount of roll the jeep had in the twisties. I have not feared rolling it over, I'm in sand, it doesn't have enough traction to tip. But my ability to slalom at speed is nil. So much body roll it's concerning, but I have gotten used to it and do not believe it is hazardous.
Now, it seems most wheeling is more technical at slower speeds. I have taken it into the woods and rocks, and it is GREAT having the bar disconnected. You are moving slow enough the body roll isn't an issue at all. But the traction you gain is night and day difference.
If I were out west doing Prerunner wheeling in the dessert, I would look at installing an Antirock type sway bar.
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