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Old Nov 8, 2018 | 05:34 AM
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A twin charged project is not for the novice. There is much more to the install than just bolting everything together.

I say with nearly 100% confidence that this project will not see the light of day or even work at all.
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Old Nov 8, 2018 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cummins93
The 4.0 handles appropriately sized turbos with correct tuning just fine and gives substantial returns. Ask me how I know.
Sustantial returns might differ from you to me.

I've been around plenty of hopped up 4.0's, hell, likely one of the first turbo'd XJ's was someone I knew.

I still stand behind it being more work than it's worth.

The owner of Boostwerks is someone I know as well (drive's by my house often). Even he got tired of the turbo setup and how much work/tuning was needed (especially at altitude). He went back to stock.

Originally Posted by CobraMarty
When done properly, a supercharger can be added to a stock 4.0L and be very reliable and give a great return in power.
At only 5-6 pounds of boost, a supercharger will add +60rwHP and +70rwTQ.
Ask me how I know, there are over 250 supercharger kits out there in the wild and not 1 failure.
Funny, since Avenger Superchargers is no more. A whopping 60HP for a supercharger, that unless you pieced together, did all the work, machining, etc...still isn't cheap.

I love the 4.0, there's three running at my house. I still run one in my buggy.

However, I'll still stand behind my original statement...stroking, supercharging, or turbo'ing one just isn't worth the effort IMO.

The only time I would say it is, is if you live somewhere like CA where your ***** are in the state's purse, and the likelyhood of getting an engine swap to be "legal", can be more work than it's worth (know several that went through this).

If you have the knowledge, skill, and abilities to do a supercharger, turbo, etc. on your own, swapping in a 5.3 or 6.0 should be a cakewalk.

A cheap stock 5.3L is going to give you ~300HP...and far far more reliable than anything that would be added to a 4.0L.
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Old Nov 8, 2018 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Freerider15
Sustantial returns might differ from you to me.
Sounds like someone needs to take a road trip to CT for a ride. If I ever get to a dyno day I'll post numbers for the OP.
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Old Nov 8, 2018 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Cummins93
Sounds like someone needs to take a road trip to CT for a ride. If I ever get to a dyno day I'll post numbers for the OP.
What would you consider a good return?

I've been in both turbo'd and stroked XJ's. Sure, there's a significant noticeable different between stock...but still nowhere near even a stock 5.3 or 6.0 XJ.

The one I was first in was a buggified XJ, and it would roast 36's standing still.

To each their own, but 90% of boost/supercharger swaps I've known of were either given up on, on in the end the owner wishes they had gone a different direction with their time/money/effort. I've only known of a few stroker motors (out of dozens) that have survived an extended period of time. That includes full on, built by Golen motors too.

Never heard of someone who swapped in a V8 that wasn't satisfied with the output

Spending a lot of time with other tube-chassis type rigs, getting a much more varied look at engines and such makes you think about it more.

2JZ, 6.0L, 5.3L, 5.0L, etc. Not too many messing with SB350's these days.

It's all relative to what floats your boat. I've thought things like a turbo for the buggy. But I'd rather just swap in an LS, get more HP/TQ, more room, and a lighter, smaller engine.
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Old Nov 10, 2018 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by John F


i was wanting to make the 6 psi boost with the m90 from 1.5/2k up to about 3/3.5k, then the 6psi from the turbo kick in around 3/3.5k and pull to redline. I wanted to try to get the mixture just right so it can have amazing torque low end and amazing hp in the top end with a steady power band
That's not really how it works.

The idea behind compounding is that the atmosphere charger is going to be large in comparison to the pressurized charger. The pressurized charger is commonly sized for drivability at lower RPM if it were run as a single. Similar to what a stock charger would be. The atmosphere charger will mover large volumes of air at a lower pressure to the pressurized charger, where it then increases the pressure into the manifold. Boost will raise exponentially out of the pressurized turbo in this configuration, compared to it being ran as a single, because it is being force fed air instead of drawing from a normal atmosphere.

One isn't for low RPM, and the other for high.

With a turbo over a super charger like you have planned, you would want to under drive the supercharger as not to super heat the air. The pulley ratio might be such that the super charger would only make 2-3 psi on it's own. But, when fed air from the larger turbo, as RPM increases you would see a boost number higher.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 08:19 AM
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John F-

How is your project going? Have you started collecting parts?
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 10:24 AM
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will spend less money and time doing an LS swap.

and it will actually work when you're done.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CastorTroy
will spend less money and time doing an LS swap.

and it will actually work when you're done.
There it is... wouldn't be a complete boosted thread without it.

I'm not sure what an LS swap comes in at but my set up was budget friendly, has good power and runs very reliably. If I want to transfer the set up to a different engine it will swap over in a day. If I need to order a part I order it for a Jeep XJ.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cummins93
I'm not sure what an LS swap comes in at but my set up was budget friendly
Out of curiosity, what ballpark are you at with yours?

For reference (not for sh*t throwing), a 5.3 swap can be usually done for ~$1500 if you're doing most of the work. This is for full drivetrain (I see 5.3 full drivetrains for about $700), a few hundred $ in gauges, having the new PCM rewired, etc.

That number can easily triple if having someone else doing it.

If you're wanting a 6.0L, you can usually find LQ9 engines for $1500ish. Sometimes more, sometimes a lot less (I know someone that after parting out a vehicle, made money and got the LQ9 for free).

A 5.3 can easily be made to have some more oomph. A 5.3 or 6.0 can easily be modified for a very reliable ~400hp...but with some work and money could be double that

Hence, why with my buggy if I ever decide to really go for something, it'll just be a full swap. The trans might be heavier, but the motor will provide me with more room overall, and lose a few lbs.

Now, I also wouldn't mind a 5.0 Coyote motor either
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 12:32 PM
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At the risk of thread jacking, I am into my set up appx. $1165. As with a budget v8 swap I sourced deals and good used parts.
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