need help on driving without rear driveshaft
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From: Lantana, Fl
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.Slow
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From: Southern Maryland
Year: 1991
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 1999 4.0L
The 242 is mechanical
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From: Cape Hatteras, North Carolina
Year: 2000 WJ
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
What's going on here
The exploded diagram I have seen shows a planetary and sun gear. This allows both the torque split and independent turning of output shafts.
The exploded diagram I have seen shows a planetary and sun gear. This allows both the torque split and independent turning of output shafts.
Last edited by SteveMongr; May 16, 2015 at 05:32 PM.
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Not all 231's and 242's were the same. There were various designs/changes through the years. The early model 242 was closer in design to the 249 found in the GC. Later on ChryCo switched to the mechanical design FT gearing
Last edited by Outlaw Star; May 16, 2015 at 06:21 PM.
Seems like the torque would just go to the axle with the least traction ???
It doesn't really matter because it seems to work fine even on muddy roads. Don't need to use 4-lock (part time) unless there is a significant diagonal offset between the front/rear axles.
I just question the advertised torque split with a mechanical differential.
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The only time it is 100% to a single wheel is when there is no resistance on that wheel (jacked up in the air or spinning in mud), so it never loads up and the other wheels do not ever get anything.
I just question the advertised torque split with a mechanical differential.
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It goes to the axle with the least resistance, which is usually the wheel that is turning the fastest. When the car is driving straight, all wheels are turning at the same number of revolutions per minute, so the differentials in the axles are presenting similar resistance and distributing the torque to the wheels evenly. Then when you take a turn, the outside front wheel gets the longest arc and has to make more revolutions per minute so it has less resistance and gets more power. But it doesn't ALL go there--once the wheel is able to apply load, the amount of resistance equalizes so you still end up with all wheels getting some (variable) amount of power.
The only time it is 100% to a single wheel is when there is no resistance on that wheel (jacked up in the air or spinning in mud), so it never loads up and the other wheels do not ever get anything.The chain and sprocket on the front output adds to resistance. The small bearing cup on the front output adds to resistance. Versus the rear output is right there and has less resistance. So the rear axle gets power until it equalizes with the front, and there is your 52/48 split
The only time it is 100% to a single wheel is when there is no resistance on that wheel (jacked up in the air or spinning in mud), so it never loads up and the other wheels do not ever get anything.The chain and sprocket on the front output adds to resistance. The small bearing cup on the front output adds to resistance. Versus the rear output is right there and has less resistance. So the rear axle gets power until it equalizes with the front, and there is your 52/48 split
It goes to the axle with the least resistance, which is usually the wheel that is turning the fastest. When the car is driving straight, all wheels are turning at the same number of revolutions per minute, so the differentials in the axles are presenting similar resistance and distributing the torque to the wheels evenly. Then when you take a turn, the outside front wheel gets the longest arc and has to make more revolutions per minute so it has less resistance and gets more power. But it doesn't ALL go there--once the wheel is able to apply load, the amount of resistance equalizes so you still end up with all wheels getting some (variable) amount of power. The only time it is 100% to a single wheel is when there is no resistance on that wheel (jacked up in the air or spinning in mud), so it never loads up and the other wheels do not ever get anything. The chain and sprocket on the front output adds to resistance. The small bearing cup on the front output adds to resistance. Versus the rear output is right there and has less resistance. So the rear axle gets power until it equalizes with the front, and there is your 52/48 split
Makes sense, I guess ... if you take the rear drive shaft out, then 100% of the torque is going to go to the rear output yoke where there is zero resistance (it's futile anyway, they tell me
) and you're not going anywhere unless you put it in "part time" 4wd (hi-lock).
Still I have to wonder about the jeep engineers calculating the difference in mechanical friction front to rear in order to advertise the 52/48 torque. Seems like to most people 50/50 would be good enough.
) and you're not going anywhere unless you put it in "part time" 4wd (hi-lock).Still I have to wonder about the jeep engineers calculating the difference in mechanical friction front to rear in order to advertise the 52/48 torque. Seems like to most people 50/50 would be good enough.
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Engine: 4.0
Makes sense, I guess ... if you take the rear drive shaft out, then 100% of the torque is going to go to the rear output yoke where there is zero resistance (it's futile anyway, they tell me
) and you're not going anywhere unless you put it in "part time" 4wd (hi-lock)
Still I have to wonder about the jeep engineers calculating the difference in mechanical friction front to rear in order to advertise the 52/48 torque. Seems like to most people 50/50 would be good enough.
) and you're not going anywhere unless you put it in "part time" 4wd (hi-lock)Still I have to wonder about the jeep engineers calculating the difference in mechanical friction front to rear in order to advertise the 52/48 torque. Seems like to most people 50/50 would be good enough.
I believe torque is mechanically split. Sun gear is connected to main-shaft, planetary gears turn housing and front output.



