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Barrelmaker 02-08-2013 10:01 PM

FST "low pro" shackle relocation installation...
 
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Aliright!
I installed my relocation brackets a week ago and have been logging some very smooth miles.

Parts Needed:
FST low pro brackets
JCR Nut strips (recommended)

Tools Needed:
Grinder, Cut off blades and grinding discs.
13/16 socket
7/8 box end wrench
19mm socket

First i would advise before cutting off your stock box remove hitch (if applicable)

Remove bumper to be able to slide nut strips in.

Raise the jeep up, I placed jack stands infront of the leaf springs (under the passenger door on the frame, but you should know this)
Remove rear shackle bolt, and lower the leafs down,get the grinder ready.

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The top cut ^^^^ doesn't have to be flush with the floor, you can have about one inch down.

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Heres what i had after my jeep was on a diet.

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MAKE SURE THIS IS FLUSH!!!! Same with the back side.

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I had to cut off this nut, But this product was in the "testing" :beta1: stage at this point, this issue has been fixed.

Now line up the new bolt that will be going into the weld nut (old shackle nut) do not tighten down just get it started.
Throw the bolts in from the bottom into new nut strip.
tighten all of these down.

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Barrelmaker 02-08-2013 10:29 PM

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Here while installing these on mattphillips90's jeep some new nut strips would have been much appreciated.

Now bolt up your shackle into there new home, tricky if alone but possible.

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Lower the jeep, check the shackle angle, adjust if needed.
Make sure all of your bolts are tight and enjoy the ride.

Barrelmaker's with 1.5" shackle.(NO LIFT!!!!!)

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Mattphillips90's stock shackle, Better angle no lift.

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Both of ours before, Rough country 3" full pack and 4.5" full pack.

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Barrelmaker 02-08-2013 10:32 PM

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just to show clearance above between floor.


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Red82 02-08-2013 10:37 PM

Have you wheeled with them yet?

mattphillips90 02-08-2013 10:40 PM

Flexed barrelmakers on my tire haha but hey, they def work

Barrelmaker 02-08-2013 10:45 PM

We live in a bad area for "hard core" wheeling, i didn't want to jump my Jeep yet.
Only been on for a week, so my kidneys are still recuperating.
There are 5 others that also have these in there hands, in a little over a month ill be heading to URE. Ill keep everybody informed.

92XJGuy 02-08-2013 10:47 PM

Looks good! Shame these weren't out when I bought my leaf sliders. A buddy of mine bought these too, so I'll have to check his out.

XJ-92 02-08-2013 11:38 PM

looks great! cant wait to get mine installed. i might have to take a weekend off from college to drive home and install them

mattphillips90 02-09-2013 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by 92XJGuy (Post 2299232)
Looks good! Shame these weren't out when I bought my leaf sliders. A buddy of mine bought these too, so I'll have to check his out.

I had to look up leaf sliders, those things are crazy

MountiansRcool 02-09-2013 12:09 AM

how much are they and where can i get them??

92XJGuy 02-09-2013 12:23 AM


Originally Posted by mattphillips90 (Post 2299310)
I had to look up leaf sliders, those things are crazy

Yeah, they're awesome though!


Originally Posted by MountiansRcool (Post 2299314)
how much are they and where can i get them??

https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f10/lo...n-kits-156665/

Lead Foot 02-09-2013 12:48 AM

Great write up Andrew! Thanks for sharing!

Note that the bolt going into the stock shackle weld nut is not a Grade 5 bolt! It is metric and Grade 10.9, equivelant to Grade 8 in a standard bolt.



Originally Posted by MountiansRcool (Post 2299314)
how much are they and where can i get them??

http://froehlichsuspension.3dcartsto...-Kit_p_22.html

Feel free to ask any questions guys,

Kris Froehlich

Lead Foot 02-09-2013 12:50 AM


Originally Posted by mattphillips90 (Post 2299310)
I had to look up leaf sliders, those things are crazy

Very creative and interesting, just too many parts for me. Simplicity is key in a leaf spring setup.

BNJeepsta 02-09-2013 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Lead Foot (Post 2299351)

Very creative and interesting, just too many parts for me. Simplicity is key in a leaf spring setup.

I don't leaf sliders at all. I will stick with shackles any day.

N20jeep 02-09-2013 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Lead Foot (Post 2299351)

Very creative and interesting, just too many parts for me. Simplicity is key in a leaf spring setup.

Sliders have less moving parts than a shackle setup

Lead Foot 02-09-2013 09:07 AM

What would you say install time is Andrew?

N20jeep 02-09-2013 09:09 AM

Btw, the low pro relocaters are awesome. Fixes my biggest complaint about them

Barrelmaker 02-09-2013 09:10 AM

Lets not make this into a slider vs. shackle thread please.
If anybody else installs these feel free to throw up some pics. I'd like to see the different setups.
shackle and lift size?
Before and after ride Heights?

smeltmaster1 02-09-2013 09:35 AM

i am at 7" in the back with 2.5 shackle so i will have a different view

and one thing i am worried about is the area above the box that is going to hold mud like hell bc my corners always have a ton in there. i may box it out just with some 18 ga steel to cover it.

Barrelmaker 02-09-2013 09:39 AM

That would be a cool idea.

Lead Foot 02-09-2013 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by N20jeep (Post 2299585)
Sliders have less moving parts than a shackle setup

Umm. Im sorry, but I disagree. Like Barrelmaker asked though, lets not turn this into one of those threads. :)

Barrelmaker 02-09-2013 10:03 AM

Anybody need more info?

Lead Foot 02-09-2013 10:10 AM

Still didnt see what your estimated install time was... :)

92XJGuy 02-09-2013 10:14 AM

Yikes! Didnt mean to start anything. I actually almost bought these but needed a fix asap. If I ever do go back to a shackle, I will be getting these. They look awesome!

mattphillips90 02-09-2013 12:31 PM

I think install time is all determined by how rusted and nut strips are. Thats what takes the most time. Cutting out the boxes and aligning and bolting in the new might take 30 minutes. Rusted nut strips and bolts can take a few hours...

Barrelmaker 02-09-2013 12:36 PM

With new hardware and old already out, took me only 15-20 min to cut off and install one side.
Trying to re install with old hitch hardware can take longer.

smeltmaster1 02-09-2013 09:14 PM

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so i went outside to tackle mine today at about 3:30 and still not done. first off everything went well on the passenger side cutting and grinding then when i went to bolt them up my holes on the frame were off i don't know if it was made to sit off the side if the frame were the actual box is but mine is a little. i fixed that with a drill bit. then i got it all bolted up and that is the first two pics.
onto the drove side with the fuel lines. i have one of those fuel line covers that protect them well that was in the way had to cut some of that and smash some of it in to get the box to fit. and also i had to hammer my box in bc the fuel lines were hold it back and i had to slide it past but that got bolted up and that would be the 3 pic with the fuel line guard.
now i tried putting the shackles in still on the leafs. it is easier all by themselves. i also need to grind some of my bushing and sleeve away to make it fit in the box, i have the auto zone chevy shackles. then as i was putting in the bolt to the passenger side shackle it wouldn't go in our out. i need to drill out the sleeve a little bc the blot is threading into the sleeve and making it spin.

i also have a zj gas tank skid that i thought i could just let hang but i had to take it completely off and i need to drill another hole in it to line u the third bolt on each side in.

i also had a problem lining up the third bolt in and needed to grind a little of the frame away and the nut is messed up so i am asking do you think i can run 3 bolts on it and be fine i am thinking about getting a tap to chase it and see if that will work

this is my original shackle angle
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passenger side cut
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passenger side box in
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drive side box in with the fuel line skid
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this is just the jeep when i was chipping the ice away from around the area i was working
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Barrelmaker 02-09-2013 11:44 PM

I found it easiest to just start all the bolts, first the shackle bolt, then the frame bolts.

I used new nut strips which i think made install easiest, took me hours to get all my old rusted strips out, they were so rusted that i couldn't un bolt them, so i cut them off.
I didn't have my hitch on yet because it was missing a hole, drilled that today hoping to put the hitch back on in the morning.

Slim357 02-09-2013 11:58 PM

Dude awesome write up I am definably getting a set but first I wanna see how yours do before I spend the cash for them :)

smeltmaster1 02-10-2013 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by Barrelmaker (Post 2300912)
I found it easiest to just start all the bolts, first the shackle bolt, then the frame bolts.

I used new nut strips which i think made install easiest, took me hours to get all my old rusted strips out, they were so rusted that i couldn't un bolt them, so i cut them off.
I didn't have my hitch on yet because it was missing a hole, drilled that today hoping to put the hitch back on in the morning.

i have home made nut strips that are only about 6 months old i took a stock one and just flipped it over for the driver side and they work it is just i only had 3 bolts per side bc my holes were off a little on the skid so i need to drill the 4th hole in from the back and i need to tap the same one on the driver side. i also need to drill out my sleeve or take it out and tap it with the bolt bc the blot is a little to big.

i am also worried about the drive side with it pressed up against the gas filler hose i don't want it to rub a hole in it.

and i won't be getting anything done as of now it is pouring out and the jeep is on the jack stands in the drive way bc my garage is too small i will see later it may end by 6 or 7 and i can get something done.

Lead Foot 02-10-2013 11:11 AM

The stock shackle bolt is an M14 or .5511". The bolts I supplied are 9/16" or .5625" So the bolts are 11 thousandths of an inch bigger. Or 1/84th of an inch. It is common to use 9/16" bolts in place of the M14 bolts for shackles or control arms. I would venture to guess that the inside of the shackle dom is a little rusty? Running a drill through it real quick will fix it right up.

We will be offering nut strips soon as well. This way customers can get everything to do the swap all at one place.

Kris Froehlich

smeltmaster1 02-10-2013 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by Lead Foot (Post 2301374)
The stock shackle bolt is an M14 or .5511". The bolts I supplied are 9/16" or .5625" So the bolts are 11 thousandths of an inch bigger. Or 1/84th of an inch. It is common to use 9/16" bolts in place of the M14 bolts for shackles or control arms. I would venture to guess that the inside of the shackle dom is a little rusty? Running a drill through it real quick will fix it right up.

We will be offering nut strips soon as well. This way customers can get everything to do the swap all at one place.

Kris Froehlich

it ain't rusty it is threading into the sleeve and i replaced all my bolts when i put the shackles on so maybe i did have a smaller bolt in there but i am going to run a drill bit in there i just don't want to take too much. this is all i can do today since it is raining out here today but i want to finish them so i can flex on some snow piles

k4ylr 02-10-2013 12:17 PM

@Barrel or Lead,

These are really attractive to me as I want to get a better shackle angle without increasin my lift anymore. For the time being I have OEM shackles; my question is that with stock shackles do you A) achieve the same ~45° shackle angle and B) do you run into any clearance issues on the shackle sides/brackets when fully drooped or stuffed?

Thanks!!

smeltmaster1 02-10-2013 12:19 PM

just went outside to see if i can do something and ended up finding out that my driver side shackle is stuck in the box i dont know how but it is not coming out even with the leaf attached to it hitting the leaf down. i can never ****ing win with this jeep

XJ-92 02-10-2013 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by smeltmaster1 (Post 2301511)
just went outside to see if i can do something and ended up finding out that my driver side shackle is stuck in the box i dont know how but it is not coming out even with the leaf attached to it hitting the leaf down. i can never ****ing win with this jeep

stick a pry bar in there and force it out.

Lead Foot 02-10-2013 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by k4ylr (Post 2301509)
@Barrel or Lead,

These are really attractive to me as I want to get a better shackle angle without increasin my lift anymore. For the time being I have OEM shackles; my question is that with stock shackles do you A) achieve the same ~45° shackle angle and B) do you run into any clearance issues on the shackle sides/brackets when fully drooped or stuffed?

Thanks!!

Mattphillip's Jeep is running the stock shackles and he hasn't noticed any issues from full bump to droop. We made the bolt holes far enough down on the bracket that you shouldnt have these issues.

You can get pretty close to a 45* angle between the array of hole options. We brainstormed but couldnt really find a way to add a sliding option for small adjustments between. Depending on your leaf spring length you will have to choose the best hole available.

mattphillips90 02-10-2013 12:30 PM

Cooper has a pic of his driver side with the fuel lines. You have enough clearance, they wont rub but you will have to bend your guard a little bit

mattphillips90 02-10-2013 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Lead Foot (Post 2301520)

Mattphillip's Jeep is running the stock shackles and he hasn't noticed any issues from full bump to droop. We made the bolt holes far enough down on the bracket that you shouldnt have these issues.

You can get pretty close to a 45* angle between the array of hole options. We brainstormed but couldnt really find a way to add a sliding option for small adjustments between. Depending on your leaf spring length you will have to choose the best hole available.

Yea stock shackle hasnt given me any trouble yet. Its allowed my leafs to finally settle like they were supposed to

AT-AT Driver 02-10-2013 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Lead Foot (Post 2301374)
The stock shackle bolt is an M14 or .5511". The bolts I supplied are 9/16" or .5625" So the bolts are 11 thousandths of an inch bigger. Or 1/84th of an inch. It is common to use 9/16" bolts in place of the M14 bolts for shackles or control arms. I would venture to guess that the inside of the shackle dom is a little rusty? Running a drill through it real quick will fix it right up.

I have JKS shackles and I know for a fact that the 9/16" bolts won't fit; the tolerances are just too exact. I had to get the M14 bolts from the dealer. Just an FYI...

smeltmaster1 02-10-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mattphillips90 (Post 2301521)
Cooper has a pic of his driver side with the fuel lines. You have enough clearance, they wont rub but you will have to bend your guard a little bit

i had to cut my guard and hammer the bracket up into place to get it in and had barely any adjustment room for the frame side it is pushing the hose out of the way by like an inch
you can kinda see it here.

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