thanks for the suggestions, are shocks something that I would want to replace while im at it? there are 12 year old stock. I would be more interested in a complete kit. Basically want to upgrade rather than replace with stock. My rear leaf are not awful, but not great (maybe -1.5" sag). Also want to be able to go wheeling on some decent trails, but don't want the hassle of death wobble and everything that goes with 4.5"+

 

Death wobble can happen at anything higher than 3. If the shocks fail a bounce test I'd replace them. Umm I think your leaves should be fine if they're barely sagging

 

Wrong answer... death wobble can happen at any height, even stock. It's caused by worn parts, or unbalanced tires, etc... not lifts. Lifts just increase the angles on all your steering components, making worn parts become more apparent.

 

Lol. A bastard pack is made up of mostly all replacement leafs, with more arch, or a bigger stack. Just like a lift leaf is. But using your stock main spring to get the eye to eye spacing correct.
Add a leaf usually involves adding one, heavy, very arched spring that loads the other springs into an arch. They out most of the pressure in the end of the spring, because you are forcing less arched springs to arch. Not using multile higher arched springs. Just like a lift spring is.
Big difference. If you need to save money, look at doing a bastard pack. They can be put together cheap, and to work very well.

 

Replacement leafs from? oh yeah vehicles that are just as old with SUA. So if i take one leaf from an S10, would that be a bastard pack or an AAL? What about my buddy that took a whole S10 pack and bolted it up? New packs? You are ADDING leafs in a bastard pack. Im sorry i guess i dont have a definition of "bastard pack" with me so i guess ill take your word for it boss.

 

is the difference between a bastard pack and an add a leaf really that important? It's not that big of a deal. I'd pick a bastard pack over an add a leaf any day though.

 

Bastard pack>AAL x2

 

well BOSS. The idea of an add a leaf, again, os to add ONE leaf that adds a substantial amount of lift by its self by putting pressure on the other leafs.
Simply adding other leafs from any pack, even if slightly more arched is hugely different. The idea of a bastard pack however is to use more, and greater arched springs, retaining your oem top spring simply, only because of the length and width for it to bolt to the body.
Have you ever looked at the main leaf in a lot of add-a-leaf installs? it basically makes an s out of the main spring.
And I am reffering to basically ANY replacement spring. OEM or aftermarket. ANY lift spring, is made up of a pck of springs with more arch. Just like putting together a proper bastard pack. (minus the main leaf, but if you could find one in the junkyard to fit, this wouldnt be the case) Also the first spring on a bastard pack should be the same length as the oem spring its sitting under. So NOT to load the spring like an add-a-leaf.
So I hope I explained a little more clearly this time. There is quite a signifigant difference. I didnt think it was that difficult to comprehend.

 

Well jeeze i guess your just too smart for me.

 

Apparently

 

Haha cool story bro.

 

I've been seeing those responses from alotta folks lately. That and the "UMADBRO".

Not sure where it all came from, but its pretty lame, although pretty funny cuz everyone seems to think they are uber clever by saying 'cool story' or 'UMADBRO'. Yet they don't realize how dumb it makes them look.

 

HUH! Is that an insult?! Jeeze infraction time! I don’t believe those are uber clever. I think they are just funny. He did a good job explaining how AAL work and the difference between the two. I then made a joke and he thought i was being serious. Hence “cool story bro”. Get sarcasm much? Now go pick on somebody else

 

Not picking on you. Sorry if it seemed that way.

Was just a general comment on the things I've seen across the board.

 

lol... Ill mail you guys some vagisil if it would help