4:88's
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You are correct. On a regular open differential, when you go too low of a gear, it does have some "deflection" due to the Tq multiplication. That's why a lot of people running lower gears try and put full case lockers or LSD's in instead. Now if you don't plan on driving like Richard Petty or Mario Andreotti, then you will likely be fine with an open style carrier.
I haven't heard many stories of 4.88s snapping though Xjs though. I think our lighter weight probably helps a little bit. You should be fine!
I had an older XJ with 4.88s that I bought cheap because it was a POS. It had welded axles etc. It worked great playing in the mud in LA but man it was miserable on the highway (numerous reasons not just gearing) . In this XJ, I often drive 5-10 hours to go wheeling/backpacking (Montana is big and we go wheeling all over- Utah, going to do the Rubicon this summer etc.) And a top speed of 65 without cruising at 3500 rpm isn't going to cut it lol.
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You are correct. On a regular open differential, when you go too low of a gear, it does have some "deflection" due to the Tq multiplication. That's why a lot of people running lower gears try and put full case lockers or LSD's in instead. Now if you don't plan on driving like Richard Petty or Mario Andreotti, then you will likely be fine with an open style carrier.
and my axle has a aussie locker in it so it isn't completely open
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this is why your front axle should always be HP and your rear axle should always be LP.
as for the 4.88's, I've only seen them break when people try to run 36's or bigger (dumb) ker-SNAP
you'll be fine as long as their installed half decent. run a good diff cover and call it a day
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doesn't high pinion front pull together while in motion? a HP axle in a front application will turn the drive side of the ring where a low pinion D30 would push away using the coast side. this is why a HP is instantly estimated 30% stronger than a LP in a front application. but it's flip flopped if you put it in the rear. a HP rear axle would go off the coast side but a LP would go off the drive side of the ring
this is why your front axle should always be HP and your rear axle should always be LP.
as for the 4.88's, I've only seen them break when people try to run 36's or bigger (dumb) ker-SNAP
you'll be fine as long as their installed half decent. run a good diff cover and call it a day
So reversing up a hill would be the best way to break the HP30 huh? Good to know... That or have a terrible install which didn't dial in your deflection very well.
See! Im not an expert on gears haha. None the less, it is still a smaller/weaker pinion gear and through personal experience, I am leery of running deeper gears on a small axle.
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doesn't high pinion front pull together while in motion? a HP axle in a front application will turn the drive side of the ring where a low pinion D30 would push away using the coast side. this is why a HP is instantly estimated 30% stronger than a LP in a front application. but it's flip flopped if you put it in the rear. a HP rear axle would go off the coast side but a LP would go off the drive side of the ring
this is why your front axle should always be HP and your rear axle should always be LP.
as for the 4.88's, I've only seen them break when people try to run 36's or bigger (dumb) ker-SNAP
you'll be fine as long as their installed half decent. run a good diff cover and call it a day
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I mean the style of carrier isn't fully encased like say a Detroit or ARB is. If you look at the carrier case, its got those two big sections open for accessing spider gears. Now if you think about it, that only leaves 50% of the carrier to carry the stress of the ring gear while in motion. If you search for broken differential, you will see the cases busted in two. Sorry for the confusion.
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if you're breaking pinions, lay off the skinny pedal or build a bigger axle
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I mean the style of carrier isn't fully encased like say a Detroit or ARB is. If you look at the carrier case, its got those two big sections open for accessing spider gears. Now if you think about it, that only leaves 50% of the carrier to carry the stress of the ring gear while in motion. If you search for broken differential, you will see the cases busted in two. Sorry for the confusion.
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Could also what I just did $140 for artec truss that ties the tubes into the pumpkin. And mini skids for the bottom had gift cards from Christmas at 4wheelparts. Also before this I put 10k hard miles on the hp & 8.8 combo with 4.88s.
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