I don't know if anybody has noticed it but there's a new ad on there up top for Warn winches. 8000lb winch for $399 after rebate. Getting into a lot of our price ranges now.

http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/en..._winches.shtml

What's the difference between their M8000 series and their VR series?

Don't really know. It just says it's an entry-level winch. But I thought that's what the m8000 was considered?

VR has a slower line speed and i would assume it would need more "rest" periods for longer pulls.