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Old Apr 30, 2014 | 11:40 PM
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You've got plenty of bass there, keep in mind stiff springs are going to make it ride like a covered wagon.
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Old Apr 30, 2014 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by unidentifiedbomb
I'd get rid of that box, I don't even get the point of putting a big box with two 12" subs in the back of a cherokee since it takes away all the cargo space.
You don't understand why a person who is into car audio installs would install audio equipment into their jeep?

Do you understand why a person who is into off roading would install off roading equipment into their jeep?

Pretty much the same concept isn't it?
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Old May 1, 2014 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by black label
You don't understand why a person who is into car audio installs would install audio equipment into their jeep?

Do you understand why a person who is into off roading would install off roading equipment into their jeep?

Pretty much the same concept isn't it?
I'm not big in extremist of any sort. I have a 10" in a stealth box that goes into the passenger wheel-well to not take any cargo space. I'm just not a fan of no trunk space, especially in a vehicle that sees some offroad abuse where cargo space for tools is more important than a huge box for sound. To each their own, but I'm just speaking from a general functionality perspective.
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Old May 1, 2014 | 12:25 AM
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To each his own is the thing. All that space you want for tools and parts to go offroading he wants for speakers to win audio contests.

A guy like me who's XJ is relatively stock and can't go wheeling without crossing state lines could easily say carrying a bunch of tools and parts around is crazy, just get AAA.

I wouldn't say that though, because I think off roading is cool, I just don't live in an area where it's legal so I don't get to play.

Let me ask you this though since you have more experience with lifts springs and hauling weight. If I wanted to carry 500 pounds of tools and spare parts in the back of my XJ and my 3" RC lift was sagging in the back what should I do to the rear suspension to level it?
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Old May 1, 2014 | 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by black label
You don't understand why a person who is into car audio installs would install audio equipment into their jeep?

Do you understand why a person who is into off roading would install off roading equipment into their jeep?

Pretty much the same concept isn't it?
problem is that he wants to combine the 2, and that's a lot of weight to be pitching side to side on trails.

not to mention the fact that the xj is a flimsy tin can as far as containing spl is concerned. if spl was his goal, you'd think he'd care enough to choose an appropriate vehicle for it.
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Old May 1, 2014 | 04:29 AM
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See if you have a local spring shop,If not call up dever spring either can custom build a set of leafs to handle the extra weight and the lift you want.
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Old May 1, 2014 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by uber
problem is that he wants to combine the 2, and that's a lot of weight to be pitching side to side on trails.

not to mention the fact that the xj is a flimsy tin can as far as containing spl is concerned. if spl was his goal, you'd think he'd care enough to choose an appropriate vehicle for it.
The extra weight shouldn't be a problem for me as I don't do any serious off-roading. The off-roading I do is light enough that I can do it with my jeep as it is right now... With all the weight and not much lift and the jeep handles it fine. Call me a mall crawler if you want... But I still use my jeep on what terrain is available for me, which happens to be practically nothing. If I had more opportunities for more serious off-roading and I were to find it fun, I would change my goals of my vehicle... But that's not the case.

As far as SPL... I don't know where you are getting your info from. XJs are actually great vehicles for SPL. My xj does a 151.1 dB @38 hz. 4 15s in 18 cubes tuned to 31hz. 6000 watts rms @ .5 ohms, 350 amp alt, 6x 50ah batts, and 2 runs of 2/0 ofc wiring. There are many other Cherokees doing 55s and 60s+. In fact a guy local to me is the 2x SPL world record holder and he drives...an xj.

Tl;dr I just want to lift my jeep an inch in the front and a couple inches in the back to fit 32s. Keep in mind I have 500 pounds of stuff in the back. I am not worried about ride quality or off-road capability. What's my best option?


Originally Posted by andrewmp6
See if you have a local spring shop,If not call up dever spring either can custom build a set of leafs to handle the extra weight and the lift you want.
Any idea how much springs like these cost? Or do they vary by shop/purpose they are built for? I'm just trying to get an idea of what the cost before I call so if the guy shoots me an estimate way over what it should be I can look for a different shop that's not gonna try to over charge me
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Old May 1, 2014 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by black label
Let me ask you this though since you have more experience with lifts springs and hauling weight. If I wanted to carry 500 pounds of tools and spare parts in the back of my XJ and my 3" RC lift was sagging in the back what should I do to the rear suspension to level it?
I would say if you don't want to get new leaf packs, you could get a 1" block, or a helper leaf from an s10. Shackles would make your leafs worse. I mean you don't need 500lbs of tools, I have around 50 and have everything I need.
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Old May 1, 2014 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by unidentifiedbomb
I would say if you don't want to get new leaf packs, you could get a 1" block, or a helper leaf from an s10. Shackles would make your leafs worse. I mean you don't need 500lbs of tools, I have around 50 and have everything I need.
I heard that spacer blocks under the leaf spring were always a bad idea?
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Old May 1, 2014 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Trey H

I heard that spacer blocks under the leaf spring were always a bad idea?
You have 500+ pounds of speakers in the back...... but worried that blocks are a bad idea......
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Old May 1, 2014 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Trey H
I heard that spacer blocks under the leaf spring were always a bad idea?
I have a buddy that stands by his blocks, on 5" lift with 33s and beats it with no issues over the years. From the way I see it, it's the same as wheel spacers, as long as you check them and tighten them they're fine. Just have to make sure you get steel blocks and not aluminum. Small (1-2") blocks are fine, many pick ups come with blocks from the factory and haul serious business with no issues. I would feel comfortable with a 1" block with the 85% street use and 15% offroad use that my XJ experiences.
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Old May 1, 2014 | 09:01 PM
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easy to build a wall in because of the shape, but you're losing pressure due to panel deflection. unless you add even more weight by beefing up the body with a lot of reinforcement.

anyways.. just shop around for the company that advertises the stiffest springrates and go from there. the ride won't be the greatest, but it'll help with sag.
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Old May 1, 2014 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by unidentifiedbomb
I have a buddy that stands by his blocks, on 5" lift with 33s and beats it with no issues over the years. From the way I see it, it's the same as wheel spacers, as long as you check them and tighten them they're fine. Just have to make sure you get steel blocks and not aluminum. Small (1-2") blocks are fine, many pick ups come with blocks from the factory and haul serious business with no issues. I would feel comfortable with a 1" block with the 85% street use and 15% offroad use that my XJ experiences.
Good to hear, could I use a combination of block and shackle relocation? Cuz the way I see it...first I need to fix the problem of sag, then I need to lift it another inch to fit 32s. So if each one gives me 1.5-2" inches I should be golden. Then I just have to put a coil spacer up front. I just don't want the combination of block and shackle to bend my leaf at a weird angle or make it do something crazy and fail.

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easy to build a wall in because of the shape, but you're losing pressure due to panel deflection. unless you add even more weight by beefing up the body with a lot of reinforcement.

anyways.. just shop around for the company that advertises the stiffest springrates and go from there. the ride won't be the greatest, but it'll help with sag.
My roof flexes the most, and is deadened with 2 layers of 80 mil deadener. Cross bracing is filled in with expanding foam, and so is just about any other hollow void in the body. It still flexes, but the rattling with 4 15s and lots of deadening/support is actually a lot less than what I used to have when I ran 2 18s with no deadening/support.
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Old May 1, 2014 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trey H
Good to hear, could I use a combination of block and shackle relocation? Cuz the way I see it...first I need to fix the problem of sag, then I need to lift it another inch to fit 32s. So if each one gives me 1.5-2" inches I should be golden. Then I just have to put a coil spacer up front. I just don't want the combination of block and shackle to bend my leaf at a weird angle or make it do something crazy and fail.
Sounds like it would work well, the relocation brackets would net you about 1.5" and the block if you go 1" will be well 1". I've read that the stock shackle doesn't work well either with relocators due to length hitting the box so maybe some cheap RC extended shackles as well.
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Old May 2, 2014 | 01:46 AM
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Custom leaf springs can cost between 400 to 600 bucks depends the shop.Or if its a local shop ask if they can re arch your springs and add a leaf or two for the extra weight.
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