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Old Jun 12, 2019 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralph77
Thing that always confuses me on aftermarket one is the location of the fill hole. Why does not ever look like it is in the same position as a factory one?
And if that is the case how do you know what level you are at in there?
Filling it dry is one thing. You can look up the spec for the amount needed.
But what about just checking it when you do an oil change?
Riddler diff. Covers. Fluid should be filled to spec. Even with larger covers. There is only that much fluid in there for a reason
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Old Jun 12, 2019 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 00t444e
I'm sure the Ruff Stuff one works fine but it comes with a bare finish and you have to pay extra for the bolts. The Solid cover is half the price and comes powder coated, and with new bolts. It looks good to in my opinion but looks aren't the most important thing to me.
To me it just looks out of place on a XJ, but they are beefy as hell
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Old Jun 12, 2019 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by XjJunky
To me it just looks out of place on a XJ, but they are beefy as hell
Looks like they made the mounting ring way too wide for what is needed. The D30 solid cover is amazing in looks and performance. I've been bashing mine for 5 years now
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Old Jun 14, 2019 | 11:05 AM
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Thanks for all the replies guys. Just to give an update on things, I decided to stay with the factory diff cover. I removed it cleaned everything up and repainted it. I used the Lube Locker gasket and replaced the fill plug with a new one. I used 75w-140 fluid and filled to spec. So far so good. No leaks yet!!
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 09:45 AM
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Well painting it is the mall crawl/club xj life bro!
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Old Jun 16, 2019 | 07:43 PM
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I recently installed a SOLID cover on my 8.25 and filled it with 75W-90 to the fill hole. It took 1.5 gallons of gear oil to fill. I could not believe it kept taking more. I took the Jeep for a trip through the mountains and was pushing it pretty hard for hours. It heated the fluid enough to push a large amount of fluid up through the breather and into the unibody rail. Enough that there was a large puddle of gear oil on the ground.

In hindsight I should've ran the 75W-140.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by XJlimitedx99
I recently installed a SOLID cover on my 8.25 and filled it with 75W-90 to the fill hole. It took 1.5 gallons of gear oil to fill. I could not believe it kept taking more. I took the Jeep for a trip through the mountains and was pushing it pretty hard for hours. It heated the fluid enough to push a large amount of fluid up through the breather and into the unibody rail. Enough that there was a large puddle of gear oil on the ground.

In hindsight I should've ran the 75W-140.
Both diffs total don't use that much fluid. Let alone just the rear. 8.25 rear uses 4.4 pints.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Ralph77
Both diffs total don't use that much fluid. Let alone just the rear. 8.25 rear uses 4.4 pints.
I just filled it till it came out the fill hole, like I've always done with the OEM covers.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by XJlimitedx99
I just filled it till it came out the fill hole, like I've always done with the OEM covers.
That is the thing I asked earlier in the thread.
The fill holes in the aftermarket ones look higher then a factory one.
So when you first make the swap you know how much to put in.
4.4 pints in an 8.25.
But how do you know where it is at when you want to just check it when you change your oil?
See I don't understand the logic behind this.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by unidentifiedbomb
Well painting it is the mall crawl/club xj life bro!
That's cause it is a mall crawler for now.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralph77
That is the thing I asked earlier in the thread.
The fill holes in the aftermarket ones look higher then a factory one.
So when you first make the swap you know how much to put in.
4.4 pints in an 8.25.
But how do you know where it is at when you want to just check it when you change your oil?
See I don't understand the logic behind this.
The other thing that concerns me with that logic is if the cover is any "deeper" than the OEM cover the fluid level will not be as high.

This might warrant a call to SOLID tomorrow..
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Old Jun 18, 2019 | 12:25 AM
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[QUOTE=00xjfreedom;3560325]This is a good watch on diff covers..

I hope everyone that has or is considering an aftermarket differential cover watches the videos that 00jkfreedom attached. And good call by Ralph77 to question the level of fluid with aftermarket covers. In the videos Banks did a nice job of questioning some aftermarket cover designs. He pursued data, going beyond looks and perceived notions of what works better or is “cool” and did testing to show what modifications from factory cover designs might mean to the differential. Changes in fluid level and lubrication paths can have significant unintended consequences. As pointed out increased temperatures and oil aeration can occur with cover modifications, both which are not favorable for lubricating highly loaded hypoid gears. Entraining air a lubricant can degrade its ability to maintain fluid film and thus provide adequate lubrication. The engineers that designed covers for the OE differentials would have used past lessons learned, results of analytical tools such as fluid dynamics and thermodynamics and test results as inputs to the design. This level of product expertise, engineering analysis and product endurance testing are likely not available to most of the aftermarket manufactures and it is expensive and time consuming.

If most of the use of a Jeep is rock crawling at low speeds then a heavy duty differential cover probably make sense. For the other 99% that are driven at highway speeds there is the risk that an aftermarket cover is doing more harm than good. OE differentials are pretty darn reliable as they come from the factory. Why spend money for something that likely isn’t needed and may shorten the life of your differential?

I had considered changing covers. After seeing this thread and doing some research I will stick with factory covers or those that very closely mimics the factory cover design.


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Old Jun 18, 2019 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by XJlimitedx99
I recently installed a SOLID cover on my 8.25 and filled it with 75W-90 to the fill hole. It took 1.5 gallons of gear oil to fill. I could not believe it kept taking more. I took the Jeep for a trip through the mountains and was pushing it pretty hard for hours. It heated the fluid enough to push a large amount of fluid up through the breather and into the unibody rail. Enough that there was a large puddle of gear oil on the ground.

In hindsight I should've ran the 75W-140.
The problem was likely aeration. The lube was full of air. As air gets entrained in a fluid it increases its volume and generates foam. There is only so much room in the differential so it is pushed out of the vent. I doubt that a different fluid/viscosity range would have made much difference.
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Old Jun 18, 2019 | 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by XJlimitedx99
The other thing that concerns me with that logic is if the cover is any "deeper" than the OEM cover the fluid level will not be as high.

This might warrant a call to SOLID tomorrow..
And that is something I did not think about.
I have never seen an aftermarket diff cover up close and personal.
I am just going by pictures I see when I say the fill hole looks higher.
Thinking cause you got so much gear oil in that I might be right.
I would consider one with both a fill hole and drain hole.
My '00 XJ is just a DD. So it would just be for a look but I would justify it as for maintenance too.
I am big on swapping out fluids on a regular basis.
I dump my tranny fluid every other year.
Why? Cause Jeeps have a drain plug. For the price of the 4 to 4 1/2 quarts it takes when I do this is fine with me.
It is easy to do so why not.

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