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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 10:30 PM
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Swaybar removal for street driving always disappoints me. Nobody realises how much the sway bar actually does until they are swerving to avoid something in an emergency.

Of course then you have the guys that say "it's a Jeep... I'll just hit it." What happens if it's a kid running after their ball?

I drove my Jeep from the trail back home without a sway bar because I wanted to do it in my driveway instead of the mud. On my way home, a deer ran out in front of me. Lets just say, if i didn't have the extensive training I do in controlling a vehicle through a slide, I would have definitely rolled.

Just please think about the consequences.

P.S. During each of my defensive driving classes my instructors explained what a sway bar is designed to do and that without one a vehicle is COMPLETELY unpredictable in an emergency maneuver, no matter how skilled you are. There are too many variables thy change the way the CA reacts. Everything from speed to ambient temperature effects the vehicles response. (Temperature effects your spring rate and the performance of your shocks.)


That's all I've got for sway bar removal. I don't want to start yet another sway bar debate. Just hoping some more insight on the topic could change someones mind and maybe save a life.
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 10:36 PM
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This is how I parked at my church a couple years ago when we had a car show.

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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by XJeepWerks
Swaybar removal for street driving always disappoints me. Nobody realises how much the sway bar actually does until they are swerving to avoid something in an emergency.

Of course then you have the guys that say "it's a Jeep... I'll just hit it." What happens if it's a kid running after their ball?

I drove my Jeep from the trail back home without a sway bar because I wanted to do it in my driveway instead of the mud. On my way home, a deer ran out in front of me. Lets just say, if i didn't have the extensive training I do in controlling a vehicle through a slide, I would have definitely rolled.

Just please think about the consequences.

P.S. During each of my defensive driving classes my instructors explained what a sway bar is designed to do and that without one a vehicle is COMPLETELY unpredictable in an emergency maneuver, no matter how skilled you are. There are too many variables thy change the way the CA reacts. Everything from speed to ambient temperature effects the vehicles response. (Temperature effects your spring rate and the performance of your shocks.)


That's all I've got for sway bar removal. I don't want to start yet another sway bar debate. Just hoping some more insight on the topic could change someones mind and maybe save a life.
While this is all true, the same could be said for lifting a vehicle, putting bigger tires on it, putting different bumpers and roof racks on it which all have a large impact on weight bias, handling and braking. Eventually it would come down to you must leave every vehicle completely stock and make sure you replace all parts with factory replacement because of "what ifs". Not trying to start a debate either, just sayin.
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ClaytonXJ
While this is all true, the same could be said for lifting a vehicle, putting bigger tires on it, putting different bumpers and roof racks on it which all have a large impact on weight bias, handling and braking. Eventually it would come down to you must leave every vehicle completely stock and make sure you replace all parts with factory replacement because of "what ifs". Not trying to start a debate either, just sayin.
The biggest aspect that makes removing the sway bar dangerous is the fact that the way the vehicle reacts to an emergency maneuver is unpredictable with it removed. Lifted the vehicle, putting larger tires on it, adding bumpers, whatever it may be will change the handling characteristics, but doesn't make the vehicle unpredictable. You couldn't PAY me to drive my rig daily without a front swaybar. It's not worth my life, and certainly not worth somebody else's on my expense. I have my sway bar connected not only for mine and others safety, but also out of respect for those around me.

Imagine blowing out a front tire on the highway without a swaybar? Good luck is all I have to say.
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by XJeepWerks
The biggest aspect that makes removing the sway bar dangerous is the fact that the way the vehicle reacts to an emergency maneuver is unpredictable with it removed. Lifted the vehicle, putting larger tires on it, adding bumpers, whatever it may be will change the handling characteristics, but doesn't make the vehicle unpredictable. You couldn't PAY me to drive my rig daily without a front swaybar. It's not worth my life, and certainly not worth somebody else's on my expense. I have my sway bar connected not only for mine and others safety, but also out of respect for those around me.

Imagine blowing out a front tire on the highway without a swaybar? Good luck is all I have to say.
I don't have any. And I sway less than I did stock with a sway bar.
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by XJeepWerks
The biggest aspect that makes removing the sway bar dangerous is the fact that the way the vehicle reacts to an emergency maneuver is unpredictable with it removed. Lifted the vehicle, putting larger tires on it, adding bumpers, whatever it may be will change the handling characteristics, but doesn't make the vehicle unpredictable. You couldn't PAY me to drive my rig daily without a front swaybar. It's not worth my life, and certainly not worth somebody else's on my expense. I have my sway bar connected not only for mine and others safety, but also out of respect for those around me.

Imagine blowing out a front tire on the highway without a swaybar? Good luck is all I have to say.
I wouldn't say unpredictable at all. I know exactly how mine responds to emergency maneuvers, and so should anyone else who drives any sort of suspension modified vehicle.

Not saying that they all do, but they should


Edit: and I have blown out a front tire while on the highway, and also had my hub snap while doing 40 which resulted in the wheel and tire leaving the jeep while I was still driving. Both happened with my last jeep which had no sway bars. Came to a safe stop both times.

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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by N20jeep
I wouldn't say unpredictable at all. I know exactly how mine responds to emergency maneuvers, and so should anyone else who drives any sort of suspension modified vehicle.

Not saying that they all do, but they should
Exactly. If you drive the vehicle often you should know how it's going to respond and how to drive it.
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ClaytonXJ
Exactly. If you drive the vehicle often you should know how it's going to respond and how to drive it.
X3 agree you should know your vehicle.
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 07:05 PM
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heres mine about 5 minutes ago at work. we need bigger rocks!
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 09:12 PM
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Im going to swing by the mall tomorrow and find a nice import to flex on.. But for now these will have to do.
Hillbilly RTI ramp.. ENGAGED!



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Old Jan 23, 2012 | 10:36 AM
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Bumping this perfect time of year for parking lot snow bank shots.
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Old Jan 23, 2012 | 11:39 AM
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Old Jan 23, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by customzj73
Mallcrawlin haha...
Hey custom howd you get up there? just 'drive up it'?

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Old Jan 23, 2012 | 07:49 PM
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Awesome thread, I gotta get busy with the camera!
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Old Jan 23, 2012 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Zacks98
Hey custom howd you get up there? just 'drive up it'?
that's how i get up them
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