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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfajita
Have him power brake it. Open diffs send power where there is least resistance. A braked wheel has less resistance than a stuck one. Nice military technique my friend taught me since his unit's Hummers have open diffs (WHY?)
Ask him if he was in Korea. I used to train people in that technique over there but never saw anyone else do it.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jcwclm
Been a mudder my whole life and never had to use 4lo. If you have the correct gearing you shouldn't need it.
I guess you have never tried pulling another vehicle through a mudhole then.
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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HCCAFan
I guess you have never tried pulling another vehicle through a mudhole then.
X2....I've always used 4-Lo for mud. 4-Lo and second gear is the $*** for almost any situation, with the 5-speed anyway. 1st is great for engine braking and crawling...thats about it. At least IMO

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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 11:17 PM
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Like everyone else is saying, the mud is the problem.
Dig out all the mud from under the stuck wheels, and replace it with something coarse: Rocks, sawdust, chunks of wood, piles of clothes, his spare tire, your backseat (naming off things I know you have there), then pull him backwards (forward if unable). While you're pulling him, have him drive in the same direction.

Disregard, didn't realize this thread had a third page, and problem was solved.
wheres that dang delete button...

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Old Nov 20, 2011 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HCCAFan
Ask him if he was in Korea. I used to train people in that technique over there but never saw anyone else do it.
Nope he is reserves.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mrfajita
Have him power brake it. Open diffs send power where there is least resistance. A braked wheel has less resistance than a stuck one. Nice military technique my friend taught me since his unit's Hummers have open diffs (WHY?)
HMMWV do not have open diffs every HMMWV out there has a Torsen LS front and rear. Its a gear driven LSD which is why brake torque will get them out. Brake torque doesn't help with actual open diffs.



http://www.torsen.com/files/Torsen%2...2010-09-28.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsen

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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mrfajita
Have him power brake it. Open diffs send power where there is least resistance. A braked wheel has less resistance than a stuck one. Nice military technique my friend taught me since his unit's Hummers have open diffs (WHY?)

A buddy got stuck tonight... I remembered reading this post, told him to hit the brakes, and he came out like a piece of cake!


Thanks!!
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by cdawall
HMMWV do not have open diffs every HMMWV out there has a Torsen LS front and rear. Its a gear driven LSD which is why brake torque will get them out. Brake torque doesn't help with actual open diffs.



http://www.torsen.com/files/Torsen%2...2010-09-28.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsen

Theoretically though, if you make it harder for the wheel that is spinning freely to spin, you should be able to get power to the other side.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 04:31 AM
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Stock Wranglers have very little ground clearance, the one on this thread looks to be hung on the bellypan. I have to jack ours JK up just to change the oil.

JK Wranglers suck, that is all I can say about them. TJ's are much better wheelers
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by HCCAFan
I guess you have never tried pulling another vehicle through a mudhole then.

Ya, I'm smart enough to know that most of the time with a cherokee you can't power a vehicle out unless you're on pavement. So you have to give them a jerk which 4lo is not needed for.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 06:52 AM
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This is why you never go without a HI-Lift jack.
You could jack it up and if nothing else push it over off the jack, and that gets the tires out of the hole.
No biggie.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mr white
Theoretically though, if you make it harder for the wheel that is spinning freely to spin, you should be able to get power to the other side.
How would pushing the brake pedal do that. The freespinning tire would have the brakes pushing on them the tire with traction would have brakes and whatever its sitting on meaning it would still have more traction and open diffs would still send power to the tire with no traction. Unless you can manually bias brakes between left and right there is nothing pushing the brake pedal will do.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by cdawall
How would pushing the brake pedal do that. The freespinning tire would have the brakes pushing on them the tire with traction would have brakes and whatever its sitting on meaning it would still have more traction and open diffs would still send power to the tire with no traction. Unless you can manually bias brakes between left and right there is nothing pushing the brake pedal will do.
Gotta agree with cdawall here. If you apply brakes you're just adding resistance to both tires, the one that spun before still has alot less resistance. The only application that braking to bias torque would work is if you could control either brake individually. Someone rigged up dual E-brake handles for this very purpose, and with a little extra effort he says it worked great.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cdawall
How would pushing the brake pedal do that. The freespinning tire would have the brakes pushing on them the tire with traction would have brakes and whatever its sitting on meaning it would still have more traction and open diffs would still send power to the tire with no traction. Unless you can manually bias brakes between left and right there is nothing pushing the brake pedal will do.
This is true.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by XxXJ99xX
X2....I've always used 4-Lo for mud. 4-Lo and second gear is the $*** for almost any situation, with the 5-speed anyway. 1st is great for engine braking and crawling...thats about it. At least IMO
I agree but I also have the 5 speed.
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