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Old Aug 31, 2010 | 11:33 PM
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We are all about a low center of gravity here.
It was sarcasm......LOL.
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by goalieman24
I love ignorant folks like yourself who associate ANY Asian car as "rice".
Youre pathetic. How do you think they coined that nickname in the first place!?

Asians eat rice and they have rice fields/patties, and most car engines have to burn something...So someone just put the two together and Viola! A Rice Burner. Shortened version: Ricer.

Anyways, now-a-days its just a nickname, not a put down anymore, to call asian cars ricers, because I know plenty that will chew other cars up.
When it started out and was only meant for the fugly & heinous creations, with the oversized drag increasing wings and body kits....but then later used to clump them together as a whole. Mainly when the word started coming into use as a general term, rather than a derogatory one. (Atleast here anyway)

So goalieman, you ignorant fool, go have a rugged bowl movement from a horse c*** up your ***.
Im sure you must be gaped pretty good already.
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 05:52 AM
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Trying to just power straight over everything = busted rig.
OH GOD! I know of idiots that do this....just mash the gas, and then blame the equipment...
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Doc Brnard
It was sarcasm......LOL.
I know.
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Old Sep 1, 2010 | 09:34 PM
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Youre pathetic. How do you think they coined that nickname in the first place!?

Asians eat rice and they have rice fields/patties, and most car engines have to burn something...So someone just put the two together and Viola! A Rice Burner. Shortened version: Ricer.

Anyways, now-a-days its just a nickname, not a put down anymore, to call asian cars ricers, because I know plenty that will chew other cars up.
When it started out and was only meant for the fugly & heinous creations, with the oversized drag increasing wings and body kits....but then later used to clump them together as a whole. Mainly when the word started coming into use as a general term, rather than a derogatory one.
+1 ^^^^^^ Anything that is from the Far East, is commonly called a "Ricer". It's not meant to be derogatory. But there is a distinction to be made here, at least for me. I use that term for the little race rockets and crotch rockets that sound like they have coffee cans on the end of the pipe. Or supercharged honda. God, those crack me up.

Get a thicker skin, Goalieman. You get riled up too easily. It's just a forum. You/OP asked advice (well, mainly the OP, if you look back, yours was just venom. Did we hit a nerve? You wouldn't have your 'Kee running 22" Deep dishs, would you?), it's being given. Just like my advice was, don't try to sound like a 350Z. For two reasons: 1. You will spend so much money trying, and 2. it will not happen. Put that money into running gear, suspension, HP increases, or save for a rainy day when you actually break something on the trail. Unless, if it's going to be a faux-wheeler and never see some dirt and only see mud when there's a bit of road construction and its raining. Then, I can't help. There has to be a bunch of "Pimp My Ride" shops around your area.


A 350Z, huh? LOL. No better yet, LMFAOROTFL! Kids

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Old Sep 2, 2010 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Doc Brnard
+1 ^^^^^^ Anything that is from the Far East, is commonly called a "Ricer". It's not meant to be derogatory. But there is a distinction to be made here, at least for me. I use that term for the little race rockets and crotch rockets that sound like they have coffee cans on the end of the pipe. Or supercharged honda. God, those crack me up.

Get a thicker skin, Goalieman. You get riled up too easily. It's just a forum. You/OP asked advice (well, mainly the OP, if you look back, yours was just venom. Did we hit a nerve? You wouldn't have your 'Kee running 22" Deep dishs, would you?), it's being given. Just like my advice was, don't try to sound like a 350Z. For two reasons: 1. You will spend so much money trying, and 2. it will not happen. Put that money into running gear, suspension, HP increases, or save for a rainy day when you actually break something on the trail. Unless, if it's going to be a faux-wheeler and never see some dirt and only see mud when there's a bit of road construction and its raining. Then, I can't help. There has to be a bunch of "Pimp My Ride" shops around your area.


A 350Z, huh? LOL. No better yet, LMFAOROTFL! Kids
First of all, lets quit given BIGC (original poster) a hard time. For one he wasnt the one who originally posted the "350z sound" statement. I WAS, and if you will read back in my previous posts, i have explained what i meant by that. BIGC was simply responding to a reply that I had posted. So dont bite him in the a$$ for something that i said, so if you want to give somebody a hard time. Give it To Me! Not to him. Also, I like the way my jeep sounds, not to loud just right. As i will say again, It IS Very Similar to the sound of a stock 350z so I guess . . . it can happen! does that mean i have to catagorized as a Kid. I would hope not, because Im far from it.

Its funny to me how so many of these threads turn in to arguments and keep getting dug back up after they are done with. I think for some people this is just simply a place for them to argue to make them feel better about themselves. Kind of like what those idiots that have too much time do with online gaming and scream and yell obsinities throught there mikes talking down to people. I wonder if some people on this site really even have an XJ.

Anyways, I sure hope this dood does what HE WANTS to HIS Jeep and hasnt changed his mind because of all this!
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Old Sep 2, 2010 | 12:47 AM
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Oh and I was also curious if you considered, a 350z-370z a ricer. I totally agree with ya about worthless civics and 4 bangers that sound like rattle cans, but i feel that a 350z is far from that catagory. They dont have a high winding sound like a 4 cyl and they get on down the road just as fast as some american V8 sports cars. But I guess this is really a topic for a nissan forum so Ill quit talking about it.
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Old Sep 2, 2010 | 03:32 AM
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Oh and I was also curious if you considered, a 350z-370z a ricer. I totally agree with ya about worthless civics and 4 bangers that sound like rattle cans, but i feel that a 350z is far from that catagory. They dont have a high winding sound like a 4 cyl and they get on down the road just as fast as some american V8 sports cars. But I guess this is really a topic for a nissan forum so Ill quit talking about it.
Dan, you have a valid point. And for my bluntness, I apologize. But something to consider, if it was made in the Far East......it's a Ricer to many people, regardless of performance. And, believe me, I know they could beat me off the line, at the 1/4 mile, at the 1/2 mile.....etc. But that does not change the way I refer to it, despite what it's capabilty is. I refuse to call it a domestic vehicle. Foreign is too generic. What should I call it? "An Imported Far Eastern High Performance Motor Vehicle Conveyance Device"? No, ricer is easier and more convenient. And, sorry to say, your objection to the term does not negate my feelings.

But on the other hand, if someone wants to make a vehicle sound like something it cannot, such as a 350Z, What advice would you expect someone to give? Truth or a falsehood? I tend to lean to telling the truth, rather than guesses. If someone swears it can be made to sound like a 350z, tell everyone exactly how, and give real name. Helps to authenticate the info. And for every mod, there is a trade off somewhere. Power-strength, Power gas-mileage, Lift-stability, etc.

Truth: It's a Cherokee, it will never truely sound like anything else. Idle RPM is different, displacement is different, performance requirements are different, exhaust system is different.

Falsehood: Oh Yeah go ahead, spend, oh, say 750.00 - 1000.00 dollars, you'll get it right, unless you install it wrong, then all warranties/guaranties are void. Don't call us, we'll call you if something is wrong. "Oh, you followed our advice on a forum and modded your Cherokee based on that advice, wow? I was just messing around. I don't actually own a Cherokee. I was just repeating something I read." If the advice is beyond standard and proveable by the manufacturer, you take a huge risk.

It all comes down to what each engine is capable of. Sound is integral to each engine and can only be accurately replicated by the individual engine's sound desired. This goes across the line: You can't make a Jag 12 cylinder sound like 4 CYL 2.4, You can't make a Geo Metro 3 cylinder sound like a 6 cyl Chry. You can't make a chevy 8 sound like a Volvo, You cant make a..............

Each vehicle has a characteristic sound, it's something you either enjoy, or detest. And if you detest it, change it by buying the sound you want. Want a Ford sound, buy a Ford.....want a Chevy sound, buy a Chevy....Want a V12 Jag sound........Buy a V12 Jag. Want a 350Z sound.................Buy a 350Z. Want a Cherokee sound, buy a Cherokee. Trying to make it anything other than what it is..........lots of wasted money, which is the buyer's choice, but LOL, no crying afterwards. There's no crying in owning a Jeep.

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Old Sep 2, 2010 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dans01classic
my jeep sounds............It IS Very Similar to the sound of a stock 350z
and the s*** gets deeper!

There is NO WAY a 4Ltr I6, sounds anything like a modern day 3.5Ltr V6 w/ variable valve timing.



Originally Posted by Doc Brnard
What should I call it? "An Imported Far Eastern High Performance Motor Vehicle Conveyance Device"?
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Old Sep 2, 2010 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Doc Brnard
Dan, you have a valid point. And for my bluntness, I apologize. But something to consider, if it was made in the Far East......it's a Ricer to many people, regardless of performance. And, believe me, I know they could beat me off the line, at the 1/4 mile, at the 1/2 mile.....etc. But that does not change the way I refer to it, despite what it's capabilty is. I refuse to call it a domestic vehicle. Foreign is too generic. What should I call it? "An Imported Far Eastern High Performance Motor Vehicle Conveyance Device"? No, ricer is easier and more convenient. And, sorry to say, your objection to the term does not negate my feelings.

But on the other hand, if someone wants to make a vehicle sound like something it cannot, such as a 350Z, What advice would you expect someone to give? Truth or a falsehood? I tend to lean to telling the truth, rather than guesses. If someone swears it can be made to sound like a 350z, tell everyone exactly how, and give real name. Helps to authenticate the info. And for every mod, there is a trade off somewhere. Power-strength, Power gas-mileage, Lift-stability, etc.

Truth: It's a Cherokee, it will never truely sound like anything else. Idle RPM is different, displacement is different, performance requirements are different, exhaust system is different.

Falsehood: Oh Yeah go ahead, spend, oh, say 750.00 - 1000.00 dollars, you'll get it right, unless you install it wrong, then all warranties/guaranties are void. Don't call us, we'll call you if something is wrong. "Oh, you followed our advice on a forum and modded your Cherokee based on that advice, wow? I was just messing around. I don't actually own a Cherokee. I was just repeating something I read." If the advice is beyond standard and proveable by the manufacturer, you take a huge risk.

It all comes down to what each engine is capable of. Sound is integral to each engine and can only be accurately replicated by the individual engine's sound desired. This goes across the line: You can't make a Jag 12 cylinder sound like 4 CYL 2.4, You can't make a Geo Metro 3 cylinder sound like a 6 cyl Chry. You can't make a chevy 8 sound like a Volvo, You cant make a..............

Each vehicle has a characteristic sound, it's something you either enjoy, or detest. And if you detest it, change it by buying the sound you want. Want a Ford sound, buy a Ford.....want a Chevy sound, buy a Chevy....Want a V12 Jag sound........Buy a V12 Jag. Want a 350Z sound.................Buy a 350Z. Want a Cherokee sound, buy a Cherokee. Trying to make it anything other than what it is..........lots of wasted money, which is the buyer's choice, but LOL, no crying afterwards. There's no crying in owning a Jeep.
Man You type to damn much. lol. I give up, you win, Itl take me all night to read what you typed, not to mention even longer for me to type back. I appologize if my post last night offended anyone cause I was in a pissy mood due to other situations out side of the forum. But yea i totaly agree about the "a jeep is a jeep" and "a 350z is a 350z". But I still feel like mine does sound similar to a 350z, not by choice, realy by accident. When i fix my stupid camera ill make a vid to show!
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Old Sep 2, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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Well, BigC9164, back to your original question; Any muffler will rust eventually, so IMO, its really what sound you're going for. As Doc Brnard so nicely put it, a Cherokee (or any Jeep) has a distinct sound, so I don't think you'll have to worry about getting a V8 sound out of it. But, that's the greatest part. The sound you get from the I6 is special all its own. I don't want to get into the argument of what to spend your money on or what not to, but I for one am all for modding your vehicle however you want to. I love the way a series 40 Flowmaster sounds on the 4.0 personally. I also think the magnaflows sound very nice. I know you mentioned you didn't necessarily want another Flowmaster, I'd give Magnaflow a try. Good luck whatever you do. It'll sound (and perform) great I'm sure.
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Old Sep 2, 2010 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by XJs-R-us
Youre pathetic. How do you think they coined that nickname in the first place!?

Asians eat rice and they have rice fields/patties, and most car engines have to burn something...So someone just put the two together and Viola! A Rice Burner. Shortened version: Ricer.

Anyways, now-a-days its just a nickname, not a put down anymore, to call asian cars ricers, because I know plenty that will chew other cars up.
When it started out and was only meant for the fugly & heinous creations, with the oversized drag increasing wings and body kits....but then later used to clump them together as a whole. Mainly when the word started coming into use as a general term, rather than a derogatory one. (Atleast here anyway)

So goalieman, you ignorant fool, go have a rugged bowl movement from a horse c*** up your ***.
Im sure you must be gaped pretty good already.
Wow. Wasn't quite expecting all of that, but here we go...
I understand the Rice->Asian connection, but thanks for reiterating .
So, a 700awhp Nissan Skyline, and a 1.6L Civic with just slightly more power than my lawn mower(but with a wing, un-painted body kit, etc..)... they are both ricers??
Other more cultured members of the car community understand how to make the distinction... thus, the reason for my "ignorance" comment.

On another note, you seem to have had some personal experiences(or fantasies) to be able to come up with such a vivid "insult" about horses.

Originally Posted by Doc Brnard
+1 ^^^^^^ Anything that is from the Far East, is commonly called a "Ricer". It's not meant to be derogatory. But there is a distinction to be made here, at least for me. I use that term for the little race rockets and crotch rockets that sound like they have coffee cans on the end of the pipe. Or supercharged honda. God, those crack me up.

Get a thicker skin, Goalieman. You get riled up too easily. It's just a forum. You/OP asked advice (well, mainly the OP, if you look back, yours was just venom. Did we hit a nerve? You wouldn't have your 'Kee running 22" Deep dishs, would you?), it's being given. Just like my advice was, don't try to sound like a 350Z. For two reasons: 1. You will spend so much money trying, and 2. it will not happen. Put that money into running gear, suspension, HP increases, or save for a rainy day when you actually break something on the trail. Unless, if it's going to be a faux-wheeler and never see some dirt and only see mud when there's a bit of road construction and its raining. Then, I can't help. There has to be a bunch of "Pimp My Ride" shops around your area.
Good to see at least part of your post was accurate. But I need a thicker skin?? What about Mr. Toys-R-Us, bringing beastiality into the picture after a simple 10 word sentence by myself?



Originally Posted by Doc Brnard
Dan, you have a valid point. And for my bluntness, I apologize. But something to consider, if it was made in the Far East......it's a Ricer to many people, regardless of performance. And, believe me, I know they could beat me off the line, at the 1/4 mile, at the 1/2 mile.....etc. But that does not change the way I refer to it, despite what it's capabilty is. I refuse to call it a domestic vehicle. Foreign is too generic. What should I call it? "An Imported Far Eastern High Performance Motor Vehicle Conveyance Device"? No, ricer is easier and more convenient. And, sorry to say, your objection to the term does not negate my feelings.

But on the other hand, if someone wants to make a vehicle sound like something it cannot, such as a 350Z, What advice would you expect someone to give? Truth or a falsehood? I tend to lean to telling the truth, rather than guesses. If someone swears it can be made to sound like a 350z, tell everyone exactly how, and give real name. Helps to authenticate the info. And for every mod, there is a trade off somewhere. Power-strength, Power gas-mileage, Lift-stability, etc.

Truth: It's a Cherokee, it will never truely sound like anything else. Idle RPM is different, displacement is different, performance requirements are different, exhaust system is different.

Falsehood: Oh Yeah go ahead, spend, oh, say 750.00 - 1000.00 dollars, you'll get it right, unless you install it wrong, then all warranties/guaranties are void. Don't call us, we'll call you if something is wrong. "Oh, you followed our advice on a forum and modded your Cherokee based on that advice, wow? I was just messing around. I don't actually own a Cherokee. I was just repeating something I read." If the advice is beyond standard and proveable by the manufacturer, you take a huge risk.

It all comes down to what each engine is capable of. Sound is integral to each engine and can only be accurately replicated by the individual engine's sound desired. This goes across the line: You can't make a Jag 12 cylinder sound like 4 CYL 2.4, You can't make a Geo Metro 3 cylinder sound like a 6 cyl Chry. You can't make a chevy 8 sound like a Volvo, You cant make a..............

Each vehicle has a characteristic sound, it's something you either enjoy, or detest. And if you detest it, change it by buying the sound you want. Want a Ford sound, buy a Ford.....want a Chevy sound, buy a Chevy....Want a V12 Jag sound........Buy a V12 Jag. Want a 350Z sound.................Buy a 350Z. Want a Cherokee sound, buy a Cherokee. Trying to make it anything other than what it is..........lots of wasted money, which is the buyer's choice, but LOL, no crying afterwards. There's no crying in owning a Jeep.
First of all, why would you even bring up calling something Japanese "a domestic"?
How about an import?? Pretty standard name for tuner cars and the like. But I guess a 75 year old lady driving a Toyota Avalon, is driving a ricer?

GREAT comparison though, about making a V12 sounding like a 2.4L.
350z= 6cyl, Cherokee= 6cyl. Sure, the displacement is different, but it is far more feasible than comparing a supercar to a economy vehicle.
Have you personally heard Dan01's XJ? Until you go through and test the thousands of exhaust possibilities(and other powertrain mods), don't be so confident that an XJ will never sound similar to something else. "truth vs. falsehood," eh?

It seems like your arguing tactic here is to type as many jumbled and non-connecting thoughts that are too sporadic for anyone else to comprehend... looks like Dan01 threw in the towel, I'll do the same.
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I run a Thrush welded muffler on my YJ. Mine is galvanized steel. I love it, it's nice & throaty compared to a turbo muffler & they are available in stainless.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...aNME7GmNPuJOCw

Prices are cheaper than Flowmaster too.


Not that I'm trying to disrespect Flowmaster, I'm just on a very limited budget.
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. and who says you have to pay for good entertainment?
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Originally Posted by goalieman24
Wow. Wasn't quite expecting all of that, but here we go...
I understand the Rice->Asian connection, but thanks for reiterating .
So, a 700awhp Nissan Skyline, and a 1.6L Civic with just slightly more power than my lawn mower(but with a wing, un-painted body kit, etc..)... they are both ricers??
Other more cultured members of the car community understand how to make the distinction... thus, the reason for my "ignorance" comment.

On another note, you seem to have had some personal experiences(or fantasies) to be able to come up with such a vivid "insult" about horses.



Good to see at least part of your post was accurate. But I need a thicker skin?? What about Mr. Toys-R-Us, bringing beastiality into the picture after a simple 10 word sentence by myself?





First of all, why would you even bring up calling something Japanese "a domestic"?
How about an import?? Pretty standard name for tuner cars and the like. But I guess a 75 year old lady driving a Toyota Avalon, is driving a ricer?

GREAT comparison though, about making a V12 sounding like a 2.4L.
350z= 6cyl, Cherokee= 6cyl. Sure, the displacement is different, but it is far more feasible than comparing a supercar to a economy vehicle.
Have you personally heard Dan01's XJ? Until you go through and test the thousands of exhaust possibilities(and other powertrain mods), don't be so confident that an XJ will never sound similar to something else. "truth vs. falsehood," eh?

It seems like your arguing tactic here is to type as many jumbled and non-connecting thoughts that are too sporadic for anyone else to comprehend... looks like Dan01 threw in the towel, I'll do the same.
Yeah, i gave up. i have far more important things to do then write "10 page papers" to people who dissagree with me on this forum. like, go climb some rocks with my 350z sounding XJ. lol
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