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Old 01-04-2016, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by caged
i have that 140c. great machine. but yeah, get a 220v that can put out 180a and up. that miller 211 is a perfect choice for you.
also, get a good auto helmet. not a cheap one. spend around 200 bux.
grab some decent welding gloves that aren't too thick but not too thin. get good coverage.
and last but not least, a set of leathers. you don't have to go all out here, just some sleeves would suffice.

you don't need the sleeves right away, but don't wear your favorite long sleeve shirt to weld in. lol.
made that mistake today luckily my new jeep hoodie i got for christmas survived the event without any holes haha. i didnt realize i had it on until i was finished welding
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So I thought I'd post here and ask you guys that have been doing this awhile. I'm coming up towards the end of my build, and having no welding experience I had to pay someone to do all the welding. It wasn't expensive, and he isn't a novice. Just want to get your opinions before I actually put this Jeep on the road and put hard miles on it. All welds were with a mig, in a garage that's setup properly electrical wise to handle it effectively. That's all I know.

He did the 8.8 tubes, all the brackets for the 8.8, the front C gussets, front track bar bracket, steering linkage, front mini skids. I'm not worried about most of that as its not critical (like mini skids and tubes), but I don't want my TB bracket or steering to come loose at 70mph on the highway this winter.

Let me know if you think the welds are ok enough to be safe, I don't care about looks as its all going to painted anyway:
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He welded and then ground down to make it look clean, I don't know if that affects the strength or not:

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Originally Posted by 2000CHERO
He welded and then ground down to make it look clean, I don't know if that affects the strength or not:
I most definitely wouldn't grind it down especially on steering or suspension components
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Originally Posted by XJwonders
I most definitely wouldn't grind it down especially on steering or suspension components
I can have him re weld it. Put another bead around it.

How do the other welds look?

I don't know enough to know if he's just laying rod or actually penetrating.
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Originally Posted by XJwonders
I most definitely wouldn't grind it down especially on steering or suspension components
X2. If you have to grind welds to make them look good, it makes you a grinder, not a welder

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X2. If you have to grind welds to make them look good, it makes you a grinder, not a welder LOL
He didn't have to. He told me he did it because he didn't like how the whole rod looked with the welds, like a dumbbell.

How do the other welds look?
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Originally Posted by 2000CHERO
He didn't have to. He told me he did it because he didn't like how the whole rod looked with the welds, like a dumbbell.

How do the other welds look?
Okay. But the problem with grinding welds is you're taking away material, that was placed there to make a structural bond. Take away any of that bond, and you make it weaker. Suspension and steering is not where you want to do this, you want a good, strong bead.

Anywho, got the packer back in the truck, wrapped up some loose ends, and got the sensors for the hydraulics hooked back up. Everything is running boobies. Got the last hydraulic ram for the tail gate in today, but too late to do anything with. But the truck will be gone tomorrow, and the next one comes in to take it's place, LOL

A couple pics of the packer in th truck, sorry for the rez on the second one, digital zoom...
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...and a vid of the packer working after the sensors were adjusted:
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Just some more stuff I worked on this week...

Different truck, but another packer repair...
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My compadre scarfing out some old shoes on the bottom of the baler...we took turns, LOL
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For those who are using the crappy Harbor Freight 90 Amp flux welder.

1) Understand that Flux core wire, or FCAW, welders are meant to be DCEN - or DC Electrode Negetive. Unfortunately, these welders are AC welders. It's still possible to use these welders, but no matter what, the torch is going to put out a lot of slag (even with good quality wire), and it's not going to weld as smooth as a proper DCEN FCAW. Due to the current alternating back and forth.

2) You MUST use a 20 amp outlet... not 15... 20. If you don't have 15 amp, DO NOT use the MAX heat setting.

3) If using an extension cord, it also must be 20 amp

4) If it seems like you're not getting enough penetration, it's because you're not. Hold the torch in place for a second or two until you see a puddle form, then move it back and forth in a "stab" or "push/pull" motion. I started using this technique and I began to get a lot better welds out of that little buzz box.

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They're probably never going to be "beautiful", but you can get it to work for you if you learn the tool.

All in all, unless you've already (done what I did and...) wasted your money on one of these because of lack of research prior to buying it, do what ya can with what you've got. Understand that it is very limited though. If not, go for a better welder. Hobart, Miller, Lincoln... yeah... better.

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I don't want to quote the whole post, but I'm very happy with my cheap harbor freight welder. No it's not as good as the other welders, but that's the point because I don't have the money, space, or power for a bigger machine. I use my welder for lawn mowers, and little stuff all the time. No it isn't perfect but I knew what I was getting before I got it. If I need something serious done, my sisters boyfriend has a tig and stick matching at his house and I can either borrow or get him to weld stuff up for me. I don't regret buying the machine I bought. That thing has made me more money than I paid for it.
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Then why not use that money to buy a better machine?
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Originally Posted by 94XjSport94
Then why not use that money to buy a better machine?
because I would still have no where to plug it in and why buy a bigger machine when I have access to one whenever I need it... Got better things to spend money on.
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Originally Posted by SatiricalHen
because I would still have no where to plug it in and why buy a bigger machine when I have access to one whenever I need it... Got better things to spend money on.
Do you not have a 220v dryer at your house? That's where most people with larger welders at home plug them in at.


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