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Old 05-14-2013, 09:56 PM
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And also venom, very nice work! I hope to one day have a shop that has a CNC plasma, and at least a manual mill and lathe. Right now I have a millermatic 250, portable plasma, air compressor, horizontal bandsaw, and a few other shop tools. I'm only 18, so I think I'm doing alright!
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Just in an attempt to clear up some confusion in here...

Since when is a 3 link the same as a radius arm?
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Originally Posted by ktmracer419
Just in an attempt to clear up some confusion in here...

Since when is a 3 link the same as a radius arm?

Kinda wondering the same thing.
Last time I checked they were a good deal different.
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They're going to argue that the trackbar is the 3rd link...

But I know better because I have 69 years of experience in building Space Shuttles.
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DIDN'T YOU KNOW?????? Stock is a FIVE link....duh.


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The track bar is probably considered by some to be the 3rd link. I know it's not technically a 3-link, but I didn't want to argue over something as stupid as that.

Hell, if you want to get technical, then lets call the track bar a pan-hard bar while were at it.

I guess some people arent happy, unless they're stirring the pot.
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Originally Posted by Venom
I guess some people arent happy, unless they're stirring the pot.
I still haven't figured out why you think the pot is being stirred.

They are opinions... on the internet...
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I just noticed someone in this thread asking the difference between the two. in the jeep/ offroad world there is a big difference between those suspension setups and using the same name only leads to confusion. why can't everyone just agree on the commonly known terms? all the suspension manufacturers have. no stirring here.
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Looks great man fab work is sweet it's your jeep build it how u want it and enjoy it
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There are plenty of different styles of any type of suspension. I'm not saying they are all the same or act the same. Triangulated 4 link, parallel 4 link, reverse links, cantilever, calling it a 3 link is a generic way of putting it....sorry about that. Number of links refer to how many points reference the axle to the frame.
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Originally Posted by Steel_Ninja
There are plenty of different styles of any type of suspension. I'm not saying they are all the same or act the same. Triangulated 4 link, parallel 4 link, reverse links, cantilever, calling it a 3 link is a generic way of putting it....sorry about that. Number of links refer to how many points reference the axle to the frame.
Just about nobody in the offroad world includes the track bar in the link count. It can be misleading.

3 link with panhard, 4 link with panhard, triangulated 4 link, or radius system are examples of common names
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I understand that, was not trying to work anyone up over it. So the only difference between a radius and a two link is the ability to adjust the pinion via adjustable upper "arms" ? To me this sounds like a receipt for disaster...... NOT STARTING PISSING MATCH.....This puts the pinion angle only correct when vehicle is at the height it was set at. Plenty of people are going to comment saying they have one or know someone with one who has never had a problem, but this set up does not seem like the path one would chose to go when they have to ability and means to make their own set up.
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Elaborate on this 2 link you speak of.
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Originally Posted by Steel_Ninja
I understand that, was not trying to work anyone up over it. So the only difference between a radius and a two link is the ability to adjust the pinion via adjustable upper "arms" ? To me this sounds like a receipt for disaster...... NOT STARTING PISSING MATCH.....This puts the pinion angle only correct when vehicle is at the height it was set at. Plenty of people are going to comment saying they have one or know someone with one who has never had a problem, but this set up does not seem like the path one would chose to go when they have to ability and means to make their own set up.
It actually will keep the pinion pointed at the tcase throughout to entire travel radius.

And the radius arms are how 90% of longarm kits on the road today are designed
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I have seen quite a few of them, I am not saying they are garbage. I'm simply saying that if you are going to design a front suspension...and have the tools and the brains, it does not make sense to me why you would run this set up. But he already answered that, and I completely agree with him. It is simple and works. He plans on doing a 4 link in the future for it. That's all I was asking. It will only keep the pinion angle in line with the t case yoke if the rear link pivot points are on the exact same planes as the t case yoke, horizontal and vertical planes.


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