*attention* you guys have to read the stickies! Must read!!!!
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PLEASE BUMP THIS THREAD WHEN YOU HAVE READ THIS
We are being KILLED in this section with so much work we cant keep up... every single day there are tons of threads posted in here that are not even fabrication related... We have tried everything and this sticky im going to link you to has been there since april right after we started this section... yet nobody seems to be reading it and nobody seems to know what fabrication is... The sticky will explain it to you in better detail what WE are looking for... PLEASE read it... this section is in jeopardy of going away if things dont start to go correct NOW...
PLEASE BUMP THIS THREAD WHEN YOU HAVE READ THIS
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f58/ul...ication-85599/
Definition from Wiki...
Fabrication as an industrial term refers to building metal structures by cutting, bending, and assembling. The cutting part of fabrication is via sawing, shearing, or chiseling (all with manual and powered variants); torching with handheld torches (such as oxy-fuel torches or plasma torches); and via CNC cutters (using a laser, torch, or water jet). The bending is via hammering (manual or powered) or via press brakes and similar tools. The assembling (joining of the pieces) is via welding, binding with adhesives, riveting, threaded fasteners, or even yet more bending in the form of a crimped seam. Structural steel and sheet metal are the usual starting materials for fabrication, along with the welding wire, flux, and fasteners that will join the cut pieces. As with other manufacturing processes, both human labor and automation are commonly used. The product resulting from (the process of) fabrication may be called a fabrication. Shops that specialize in this type of metal work are called fab shops. The end products of other common types of metalworking, such as machining, metal stamping, forging, and casting, may be similar in shape and function, but those processes are not classified as fabrication.
We are being KILLED in this section with so much work we cant keep up... every single day there are tons of threads posted in here that are not even fabrication related... We have tried everything and this sticky im going to link you to has been there since april right after we started this section... yet nobody seems to be reading it and nobody seems to know what fabrication is... The sticky will explain it to you in better detail what WE are looking for... PLEASE read it... this section is in jeopardy of going away if things dont start to go correct NOW...
PLEASE BUMP THIS THREAD WHEN YOU HAVE READ THIS
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f58/ul...ication-85599/
Definition from Wiki...
Fabrication as an industrial term refers to building metal structures by cutting, bending, and assembling. The cutting part of fabrication is via sawing, shearing, or chiseling (all with manual and powered variants); torching with handheld torches (such as oxy-fuel torches or plasma torches); and via CNC cutters (using a laser, torch, or water jet). The bending is via hammering (manual or powered) or via press brakes and similar tools. The assembling (joining of the pieces) is via welding, binding with adhesives, riveting, threaded fasteners, or even yet more bending in the form of a crimped seam. Structural steel and sheet metal are the usual starting materials for fabrication, along with the welding wire, flux, and fasteners that will join the cut pieces. As with other manufacturing processes, both human labor and automation are commonly used. The product resulting from (the process of) fabrication may be called a fabrication. Shops that specialize in this type of metal work are called fab shops. The end products of other common types of metalworking, such as machining, metal stamping, forging, and casting, may be similar in shape and function, but those processes are not classified as fabrication.
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BUMP!, you got my vote for a minimum post requirement, i know its a ***** for some as ive seen guys post up with less than a half dozen posts total and they are posting amazing fab work, but something needs to be done.
Many of us[including me] have gotten on the new guys bout use of the forums, more so about lack of searching. Gone about this in the way of rants[in the general chat areas] and usually theres only 2 groups those that agree and see the problem and those that just think we are being mean and dont seem to realize that the forum mods have a hard enough time managing the place, the latter group are usually the ones we are annoyed with. Either way you look at it people are going to be lazy.
good luck and hopefully it doesnt come to a shut down.
ill do what i can with regards to reporting if its not in the right place.
NAME CHANGE just throwing it out there but how bout the possibility of a name change, instead of "fabrication" we try something along the lines of "metal work", "metal fabrication", "bumpers,sliders & cages"
cause people clearly are not getting it, cowl induction, tire grooving, LED lights ETC do not classify as FABRICATION , those belong in ADVANCED TECH
it doesnt cover internet lingo in general but it does cover 4x4/jeep related lingo/acronyms and ive seen several threads asking bout them where the posters have claimed to have searched and not found anything but as with most stuff have been called out.......so for future reference https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f30/acronyms-3600/ < funny thing bout that one is its posted in multiple sections of the forum.
ok mild rant over for now
Many of us[including me] have gotten on the new guys bout use of the forums, more so about lack of searching. Gone about this in the way of rants[in the general chat areas] and usually theres only 2 groups those that agree and see the problem and those that just think we are being mean and dont seem to realize that the forum mods have a hard enough time managing the place, the latter group are usually the ones we are annoyed with. Either way you look at it people are going to be lazy.
good luck and hopefully it doesnt come to a shut down.
ill do what i can with regards to reporting if its not in the right place.
NAME CHANGE just throwing it out there but how bout the possibility of a name change, instead of "fabrication" we try something along the lines of "metal work", "metal fabrication", "bumpers,sliders & cages"
cause people clearly are not getting it, cowl induction, tire grooving, LED lights ETC do not classify as FABRICATION , those belong in ADVANCED TECH
I've been on this site for several months now. This is my first time dealing with any forums. I am on the site several times a day. I have been reading what I am supposed to do and what not but I am still learning. Don't know the Lingo. No clue even what Bump is. LOL! Sorry to be uneducated to this stuff but I'm trying to learn. I'm certain my thread is in the proper spot because my whole Jeep is on big mod. LOL. And everyone seems to like it. But if it is not please let me know. I looked through the FAQs to learn a little but still Forum Lingo is Foreign to me but I am wanting to learn. If anyone has any tips for me, I'm all ears. Thanks for keeping me in the loop.
ok mild rant over for now
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Technically fab doesn't have to be just steel. I've read the referenced thread and Wiki is not actually a credible source for definitions in the academic world since it's user modified. The definition quoted is only one of many for fabrication on Wiki, if you don't believe me look at the links below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_fabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optics_fabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicon...ce_fabrication
And then there's ACTUAL dictionary definitions:
The Websters's defininition: "to construct from diverse and usually standardized parts"
and Dictionary.com:
fab·ri·cate
/ˈfæb
rɪˌkeɪt/ Show Spelled[fab-ri-keyt] Show IPA verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing. 1. to make by art or skill and labor; construct: The finest craftspeople fabricated this clock.
2. to make by assembling parts or sections.
3. to devise or invent (a legend, lie, etc.).
I know where you're trying to take the section and that's fine, but calling it just "fabrication" is misleading and causing problems for everyone because the guys that build a snorkel in the cowl are technically fabricating a snorkel. See my point? I definately think a name change could clear up A LOT of the confusion.
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Maybe this has been discussed but I just read the last page. I would second this idea. Moderators, you kind of butchering the definition of "fabrication" as a section title in that you're limiting it only to metal work and then not allowing people to discuss it, like in every other section. If I want to ask how to make/build something, the intuitive place is the "fabrication" section where the fabircators are going to be. This is especially true when the "fabrication" section is listed under the "technical DISCUSSION" section.
Technically fab doesn't have to be just steel. I've read the referenced thread and Wiki is not actually a credible source for definitions in the academic world since it's user modified. The definition quoted is only one of many for fabrication on Wiki, if you don't believe me look at the links below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_fabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optics_fabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicon...ce_fabrication
And then there's ACTUAL dictionary definitions:
The Websters's defininition: "to construct from diverse and usually standardized parts"
and Dictionary.com:
fab·ri·cate
/ˈfæbrɪˌkeɪt/ Show Spelled[fab-ri-keyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing. 1. to make by art or skill and labor; construct: The finest craftspeople fabricated this clock.
2. to make by assembling parts or sections.
3. to devise or invent (a legend, lie, etc.).
I know where you're trying to take the section and that's fine, but calling it just "fabrication" is misleading and causing problems for everyone because the guys that build a snorkel in the cowl are technically fabricating a snorkel. See my point? I definately think a name change could clear up A LOT of the confusion.
Technically fab doesn't have to be just steel. I've read the referenced thread and Wiki is not actually a credible source for definitions in the academic world since it's user modified. The definition quoted is only one of many for fabrication on Wiki, if you don't believe me look at the links below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_fabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optics_fabrication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicon...ce_fabrication
And then there's ACTUAL dictionary definitions:
The Websters's defininition: "to construct from diverse and usually standardized parts"
and Dictionary.com:
fab·ri·cate
/ˈfæb
rɪˌkeɪt/ Show Spelled[fab-ri-keyt] Show IPA verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing. 1. to make by art or skill and labor; construct: The finest craftspeople fabricated this clock.
2. to make by assembling parts or sections.
3. to devise or invent (a legend, lie, etc.).
I know where you're trying to take the section and that's fine, but calling it just "fabrication" is misleading and causing problems for everyone because the guys that build a snorkel in the cowl are technically fabricating a snorkel. See my point? I definately think a name change could clear up A LOT of the confusion.
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How about a " fabrication projects " section for stuff being built.
And a sub section for " fab tech" for questions and discussion.
Because fab questions can easily get lost and passed over in the advanced tech forum if they are restricted there
And a sub section for " fab tech" for questions and discussion.
Because fab questions can easily get lost and passed over in the advanced tech forum if they are restricted there
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Originally Posted by mud-dog27
BUMP!, you got my vote for a minimum post requirement, i know its a ***** for some as ive seen guys post up with less than a half dozen posts total and they are posting amazing fab work, but something needs to be done.
Many of us[including me] have gotten on the new guys bout use of the forums, more so about lack of searching. Gone about this in the way of rants[in the general chat areas] and usually theres only 2 groups those that agree and see the problem and those that just think we are being mean and dont seem to realize that the forum mods have a hard enough time managing the place, the latter group are usually the ones we are annoyed with. Either way you look at it people are going to be lazy.
good luck and hopefully it doesnt come to a shut down.
ill do what i can with regards to reporting if its not in the right place.
NAME CHANGE just throwing it out there but how bout the possibility of a name change, instead of "fabrication" we try something along the lines of "metal work", "metal fabrication", "bumpers,sliders & cages"
cause people clearly are not getting it, cowl induction, tire grooving, LED lights ETC do not classify as FABRICATION , those belong in ADVANCED TECH
it doesnt cover internet lingo in general but it does cover 4x4/jeep related lingo/acronyms and ive seen several threads asking bout them where the posters have claimed to have searched and not found anything but as with most stuff have been called out.......so for future reference https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f30/acronyms-3600/ < funny thing bout that one is its posted in multiple sections of the forum.
ok mild rant over for now
Many of us[including me] have gotten on the new guys bout use of the forums, more so about lack of searching. Gone about this in the way of rants[in the general chat areas] and usually theres only 2 groups those that agree and see the problem and those that just think we are being mean and dont seem to realize that the forum mods have a hard enough time managing the place, the latter group are usually the ones we are annoyed with. Either way you look at it people are going to be lazy.
good luck and hopefully it doesnt come to a shut down.
ill do what i can with regards to reporting if its not in the right place.
NAME CHANGE just throwing it out there but how bout the possibility of a name change, instead of "fabrication" we try something along the lines of "metal work", "metal fabrication", "bumpers,sliders & cages"
cause people clearly are not getting it, cowl induction, tire grooving, LED lights ETC do not classify as FABRICATION , those belong in ADVANCED TECH
it doesnt cover internet lingo in general but it does cover 4x4/jeep related lingo/acronyms and ive seen several threads asking bout them where the posters have claimed to have searched and not found anything but as with most stuff have been called out.......so for future reference https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f30/acronyms-3600/ < funny thing bout that one is its posted in multiple sections of the forum.
ok mild rant over for now
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Bump!
Thanks for the refresh on the info... I was a little worried when I saw it that I wasn't going to be able to post my homebrew light bar in the homebrew section... now that I read the sticky I know I'm still okay to do that.
Thanks for the refresh on the info... I was a little worried when I saw it that I wasn't going to be able to post my homebrew light bar in the homebrew section... now that I read the sticky I know I'm still okay to do that.
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I agree with this 100%. I think there should be a "Fabrication" section, and then an "Advanced or Hardcore Fabrication section". Just as their is "Tech" and "Advanced Tech". Give a place for both the guy who hummer chopped his xj and made a truck bed in the back AND the guy who puts a rear view with a compass in his jeep.
this is a prime example of people clearly not understanding the forum, "rear view with a compass in his jeep" BELONGS in advanced tech, i dont understand why this is so hard for people to figure out. The lay out of this place is pretty straight forward. Its not even like the sub-forum descriptions are confusing.
OEM tech = stock related stuff, ex. oil changes,spark plugs, general maintenance.
Advanced tech = aftermarket mods, ex. bolt on mods, junkyard swap parts,homebrew mods that are not full on fab, a rearview mirror with compass.
Fab = is metal fab for the most part given that its an offroad forum
@northwoods snowman give the guy a break now, obviously metal fabrication is not the only form of fabrication but its the only one that really pertains to this forum.
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Rather than a name change, I think there needs to be an appropriate sub header. Under the word "Fabrication" consider something like "post existing and completed fab projects here" instead of "all fabrication posts go here". Under that header, my question about a future fab project belongs there, according to the rules or not. The rules would make sense if they weren't contradicting the very name of the discussion board. As a newbie, I apologize for posting in the 'wrong' forum, but it was pretty discouraging for posting anything in the future since I can't be sure where I'm supposed to post stuff now. This particular thread itself doesn't belong in the Fabrication section, does it? I'd appreciate some consistency. Just my .02.
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeBullet
Rather than a name change, I think there needs to be an appropriate sub header. Under the word "Fabrication" consider something like "post existing and completed fab projects here" instead of "all fabrication posts go here". Under that header, my question about a future fab project belongs there, according to the rules or not. The rules would make sense if they weren't contradicting the very name of the discussion board. As a newbie, I apologize for posting in the 'wrong' forum, but it was pretty discouraging for posting anything in the future since I can't be sure where I'm supposed to post stuff now. This particular thread itself doesn't belong in the Fabrication section, does it? I'd appreciate some consistency. Just my .02.
