cv to u joint conversion
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From: Hesperia
Year: 89
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
U joints are so much stronger then cv joints! A set from a cherokee will swap right over. I've blown up cv joints left and right. Bearings shot right through the boot! Swapped over to u joints I got out of an 89 Cherokee, not a single problem since! In fact, the guy that wanted to swap with me... Blew the cv's up already! Cv was only invented to be quiet and smooth, nothing about them mean durability.
as for driving with the front shaft out... its just like unlocking the hubs on a dana 44 or other axle and driving around i dont see how its going to hurt the case? and putting it in park will do the same thing in 2wd with or without the shaft unlike what was mentioned above.
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From: Hesperia
Year: 89
Model: Cherokee
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take a good look at the exploded view of a double cardian joint on page one and you will notice there are two u joints in there. from my experience that i have and my opinion, less parts is better and less likely to break than adding more parts just like a spool is stronger than a locker in general.
double cardian (cv joints) were not made for wheeling (the ones we have in our stock xjs at least) they were made for the occasional snow or fire road nothing rough and were made to be smooth like mentioned before.
if its your wheeling vehicle put a u joint in it. if its your dd then id say learn how to rebuilt the cv joint. it isnt that often that i have seen them break in conditions that guys on this forum wheel in.
double cardian (cv joints) were not made for wheeling (the ones we have in our stock xjs at least) they were made for the occasional snow or fire road nothing rough and were made to be smooth like mentioned before.
if its your wheeling vehicle put a u joint in it. if its your dd then id say learn how to rebuilt the cv joint. it isnt that often that i have seen them break in conditions that guys on this forum wheel in.
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From: Everett, WA
Year: 1996
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 5.2L
take a good look at the exploded view of a double cardian joint on page one and you will notice there are two u joints in there. from my experience that i have and my opinion, less parts is better and less likely to break than adding more parts just like a spool is stronger than a locker in general.
double cardian (cv joints) were not made for wheeling (the ones we have in our stock xjs at least) they were made for the occasional snow or fire road nothing rough and were made to be smooth like mentioned before.
if its your wheeling vehicle put a u joint in it. if its your dd then id say learn how to rebuilt the cv joint. it isnt that often that i have seen them break in conditions that guys on this forum wheel in.
double cardian (cv joints) were not made for wheeling (the ones we have in our stock xjs at least) they were made for the occasional snow or fire road nothing rough and were made to be smooth like mentioned before.
if its your wheeling vehicle put a u joint in it. if its your dd then id say learn how to rebuilt the cv joint. it isnt that often that i have seen them break in conditions that guys on this forum wheel in.
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From: Southern Indiana
Year: 1996
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 5.2L V-8
Originally Posted by sandaddik2
take a good look at the exploded view of a double cardian joint on page one and you will notice there are two u joints in there. from my experience that i have and my opinion, less parts is better and less likely to break than adding more parts just like a spool is stronger than a locker in general.
double cardian (cv joints) were not made for wheeling (the ones we have in our stock xjs at least) they were made for the occasional snow or fire road nothing rough and were made to be smooth like mentioned before.
if its your wheeling vehicle put a u joint in it. if its your dd then id say learn how to rebuilt the cv joint. it isnt that often that i have seen them break in conditions that guys on this forum wheel in.
Gotta question I have the front cv joint going into the back of my hoghead
Now it costs 249 to replace that joint
Yes is it my DD but I would much rather buy a 8 Dollar u-joint
What would u recommend I do ?
Is it rele hard to rebuild them ?
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From: Fresno, CA
Year: 1996
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 5.2
^ This ^ ... My cv joint axle has a double caradan joint connecting it at the xfer case.... I'm talking about the cv end, the end that connects to the front axle. I can't see why anyone in their right mind would say cv > u. A metal ball full of bearings and grease can't be stronger in any way than 2 solid pieces of metal. On the trail, if a u joint breaks, quick swap and your back up and running... A cv joint blows and you better hope you have an entire drive shaft out with you.
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From: Southern Indiana
Year: 1996
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 5.2L V-8
Originally Posted by cmndrJOE
^ This ^ ... My cv joint axle has a double caradan joint connecting it at the xfer case.... I'm talking about the cv end, the end that connects to the front axle. I can't see why anyone in their right mind would say cv > u. A metal ball full of bearings and grease can't be stronger in any way than 2 solid pieces of metal. On the trail, if a u joint breaks, quick swap and your back up and running... A cv joint blows and you better hope you have an entire drive shaft out with you.
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From: barnesville pa 18214
Year: 1996 1996 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L 5.2L
this is want i am doing today. I am putting usa reman cv shafts in my girls zj and removing the knuckle joints. It cheaper to go with good cv shaft then it is replacing knuckle joints all the time. Most places have a good lifetime warrenty on cv shafts so if you kill one you can get a new one free. I us them in my xj also and i us it hard. only broke one in three years and it was replaced for free
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From: Hesperia
Year: 89
Model: Cherokee
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Originally Posted by E-Rok
every type of front shaft is a double cardan shaft. the difference is in the other end............
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From: Fresno, CA
Year: 1996
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 5.2
So, my jy only had 4 keeps in stock, and none were remotely close to having what I needed. I'm getting pretty desperate at this point... If anyone reading this has a drive shaft (cv or u joint at this point) laying around, I'd be willing to pay ya + shipping for it.
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From: Hesperia
Year: 89
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Originally Posted by cmndrJOE
So, my jy only had 4 keeps in stock, and none were remotely close to having what I needed. I'm getting pretty desperate at this point... If anyone reading this has a drive shaft (cv or u joint at this point) laying around, I'd be willing to pay ya + shipping for it.
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From: Fresno, CA
Year: 1996
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 5.2
this is want i am doing today. I am putting usa reman cv shafts in my girls zj and removing the knuckle joints. It cheaper to go with good cv shaft then it is replacing knuckle joints all the time. Most places have a good lifetime warrenty on cv shafts so if you kill one you can get a new one free. I us them in my xj also and i us it hard. only broke one in three years and it was replaced for free
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From: Oly WA
Year: 92
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
I'm not sure if this will help but when I got my 99 it was cheap as hell cause the cv on the front was toast and smacking everything super loud. They thought it was the 4.7 blowing up (the jy) so I gave them some cash and took the drive line off. The look on there face's was priceless when I hopped in it and got sideways out of the parking lot. When I got home I put an old XJ drive line on it. bolted right up without mod..... best $1200 I ever spent


