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Brett 12-12-2009 06:27 PM

welding the dif
 
ok i am just gettin started on my 95 cherokee sport... i know that before anything else i want to lock it up front and rear. I would like air lockers but they are expensive and so is every other kind of locker im finding
so my other option is welding em up... i wanna know what you experienced guys know about this and how much it would affect my rig bein a dd

joe bob 12-12-2009 07:51 PM

You dont want to do this to a daily driver. It will cause tires to wear very quickly and if you do it on the front it will cause big problems on the road.Also if the weld dosnt hold wich there is a good chance of if you are driving on the street you have chunks of metal floating in your diff and there go your gears. Its only ok for strictly off road rigs because the dirt will allow the tires to slip instead of the diff,and even then it is questionable. I would strongly suggest spending the money for the lockers if it is to remain a daily driver.

Throttle Jockey 12-12-2009 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by joe bob (Post 357055)
You dont want to do this to a daily driver. It will cause tires to wear very quickly and if you do it on the front it will cause big problems on the road.Also if the weld dosnt hold wich there is a good chance of if you are driving on the street you have chunks of metal floating in your diff and there go your gears. Its only ok for strictly off road rigs because the dirt will allow the tires to slip instead of the diff,and even then it is questionable. I would strongly suggest spending the money for the lockers if it is to remain a daily driver.

ditto

trans_am7935 12-12-2009 09:30 PM

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MOSendero 12-12-2009 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by trans_am7935 (Post 357175)
plus if you get a welder that doesnt know wut the hell he is doing he will mess up your axle...the diff is cast steal and the tubes are mild steel, welding two different metals together with different cooling rates will cause it to crack and/or just plain out melt the cast steal


Dude, you have NOT A CLUE 'bout what you are spouting out.

Do a search to learn what the OP is talking about..

WOW, some peoples kids....:2guns:

MO

diskman 12-12-2009 10:37 PM

Only if you weld it like this!

:head:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...ddiffWRONG.jpg






P.S.
Don't weld it like this...






SeriousOffroad 12-12-2009 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by trans_am7935 (Post 357175)
plus if you get a welder that doesnt know wut the hell he is doing he will mess up your axle...the diff is cast steal and the tubes are mild steel, welding two different metals together with different cooling rates will cause it to crack and/or just plain out melt the cast steal

This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've read in a long, long, loooooooooong time.

4.3L XJ 12-13-2009 12:02 AM

I agree. Welding spider gears comes up all the time. As Frank is prone to say, do some research on this forum. There are dozens of threads on this and they all say the same thing. Another good point is that if you haven't got the faintest idea of what is involved, you shouldn't do it.

SeriousOffroad 12-13-2009 12:04 AM

Winner Winner, Chicken Dinner!!

96xj4x4 12-13-2009 12:25 AM

hey frankz is this what inspired your "wall of shame" idea?? just wondering lol and i can guess what your first post would be

SeriousOffroad 12-13-2009 12:27 AM

Not this one in particular, but it's close.

4.3L XJ 12-13-2009 12:52 AM

One more point. There is a post here that the author meant well, but had no knowledge of what is involved. Let us all remain silent unless we actually know what we are talking about.

SeriousOffroad 12-13-2009 01:02 AM

Welding the spider and side gears is effective but not a good idea on a DD. With the axles locked the wheel on the inside of a turn will be forced to turn at the same speed as the outside tire. This will lead to excessive tire wear.

Welding the front will place a tremendous strain on the axleshafts and u-joints. Steering in a tight turn will be difficult at best.

I agree that selectable lockers are expensive. Have you considered a lunchbox locker?

comancheman 12-13-2009 01:51 AM

just curious and tell me if im wrong. if ive got a cad axle(that works) and i weld the spiders does this solve the above mentioned issues?(assuming im in 2wd on any hard surfaces)

4.3L XJ 12-13-2009 02:13 AM

If you can get it to disconnect, yes although it will pull a little to the driver side. But it is still a really poor idea. It will want to go two directions. Straight forward and straight backward. Off road steering will be nill and trying to change the direction of the wheels without moving significant distances will eventually pull the steering box bolts out of the frame.


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