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Old 07-04-2013, 04:56 PM
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94 cherokee 4.0 4x4 will not start. The engine won't even turn over. Replaced the starter, swapped ignition and starter relays, tried a new ignition switch and still nothing! I can use a wrench to turn the engine over by the pulley so its not locked up. Any ideas? I need to get to work in the morning :|
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Have you checked NSS (assuming auto trans)?

If not, hold key in start position and move shifter back and forth from P to N a couple of times. If no reaction, NSS is probably okay, at least for initial troubleshooting.

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I have physically checked it yet but I have tried starting it in neutral. Yes it is an automatic sorry I should've specified. I'm stuck. Tried to clean battery terminals/cables and even tried jumping it too. Still nothing
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Did you try to start it by moving shifter as I outlined above? A long shot but I've been there, done that and it only takes a minute.

Appears you have otherwise covered the basics.

If you have a meter, you can probe the starter relay contacts to confirm that current is getting that far in the system.

Was it running well and just failed to start after a normal shutdown?

Hopefully some late evening revelers will log in and offer some other suggestions.
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I haven't tried that yet. I'll give it a shot. I drove it home last night and everything was fine. I tried to start it today and that's where I'm stuck at.
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Ignition switch/start mode contacts bad?
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What start mode contacts? On the ignition switch? I've tried swapping igniton switches out still nothing. I'm almost leaning towards a ceased engine but if that was the case I wouldn't be able to turn the crank with a wrench correct?
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Correct -- not seized. Do you hear anything when you turn the key to start?
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Long story short. This is my mud/off road toy turned dd due to reverse going out in my car so the igniton switch isn't on the steering column right now (partially because of laziness) so I have been using a screwdriver to start the jeep. Never had an issue doing this. I can hear what sounds like the fuel pump priming and that's about it. I tried moving from P to N and wiggling it as well. Still no luck
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Could be you've burned up the starter relay.
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I've already tried a different relay. I'll try again. All the fuses look good also
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Are ya getting current to smaler wire on starter when trying to start ? have ya tried jumping the starter yet ?
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Just in case its needed...http://www.bc4x4.com/tech/2010/jeep-...ty-switch-nss/
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The NSS seems to be working properly. Its acting the same in P and N (I hear the fuel pump priming it sounds like) and when in D I get nothing like its supposed to. So I believe its good. I'll check it this weekend though
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I'm also going to check all my grounds tomorrow. I'm having trouble locating the ones that go to the block. I've heard that could possiblybe the cause.


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