Runs too rich after water pump replacement, why?
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Year: 1997
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Just put a wp on my 2000 today. Started it up and forgot to plug the ct sensor in. Ran like crap... Plugged it in, still ran like crap.. Plugged in my buddy's code scanner and it had 5 codes....? Cleared the codes, started it up and runs fine now... I had no codes or cel before the new water pump and t stat.. Temp sensor must do something.......
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Well I'm here saying that it did affect the way mine ran. Dont know why I had all the codes pop up from just changing the WP, but they did.
Autozone or advance auto will check codes for you also, but wont reset them around here anymore.. But they will let you erase them if ya ask...
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My brother had a similar issue going on in a 92 Cavalier when he broke the coolant sensor off. Put a new one in and issue went away.
I'm not sure how or why, but the coolant sensor does control idle and air/fuel mix.
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Well of course the air/fuel mixture is slightly richer when the engine is cold, the system is in "open loop" and running on an air/fuel mixture that is factory mapped/programmed, again slightly rich. Yes the coolant temp sensor tells the ECM what the coolant/engine temp is but once the heated O2 reaches operating temp (600F-650F) the system enters "closed loop" and the engine runs lean and clean based upon info the O2 sensor is sending to the ECM, well before coolant reaches normal temp,
The '98 FSM is about 3" thick and I have not read every page but no where have I read if the engine is running poorly, check the coolant temp sensor.
Maybe I missed it but again, it didn't have a negative effect on our XJ performance when we purposely unplugged the sensor as an experiment.
The '98 FSM is about 3" thick and I have not read every page but no where have I read if the engine is running poorly, check the coolant temp sensor.
Maybe I missed it but again, it didn't have a negative effect on our XJ performance when we purposely unplugged the sensor as an experiment.
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Well of course the air/fuel mixture is slightly richer when the engine is cold, the system is in "open loop" and running on an air/fuel mixture that is factory mapped/programmed, again slightly rich. Yes the coolant temp sensor tells the ECM what the coolant/engine temp is but once the heated O2 reaches operating temp (600F-650F) the system enters "closed loop" and the engine runs lean and clean based upon info the O2 sensor is sending to the ECM, well before coolant reaches normal temp,
The '98 FSM is about 3" thick and I have not read every page but no where have I read if the engine is running poorly, check the coolant temp sensor.
Maybe I missed it but again, it didn't have a negative effect on our XJ performance when we purposely unplugged the sensor as an experiment.
The '98 FSM is about 3" thick and I have not read every page but no where have I read if the engine is running poorly, check the coolant temp sensor.
Maybe I missed it but again, it didn't have a negative effect on our XJ performance when we purposely unplugged the sensor as an experiment.
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It was on prior to the replacement of the water pump. When I did the water pump I unearth the battery because I had to take out the electric cooling fan. After that the CEL did not return but where as before the vehicled idled OK and had power when the CEL was on, now that it is not on the Jeep runs crappy after it warms up. That is what I can't understand.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here...
I don't see how changing a bad water pump for a good one will do much of anything except fix the overheating issue. He also did plugs, cap, and rotor, probably wires as well?
My guess is that you've knocked a connection loose, or maybe damaged a vacuum line somewhere, while poking around under the hood. That is where I would start, double check electrical connections and check for a vacuum leak. Should be easy enough to check both and as a bonus you won't have to start throwing large wads of cash at it until you verify the simple stuff. Also, try pulling the IAC and cleaning it. If the throttle body itself is dirty, I'd recommend removing and cleaning it thoroughly. Easy to do and may actually help.
I don't see how changing a bad water pump for a good one will do much of anything except fix the overheating issue. He also did plugs, cap, and rotor, probably wires as well?
My guess is that you've knocked a connection loose, or maybe damaged a vacuum line somewhere, while poking around under the hood. That is where I would start, double check electrical connections and check for a vacuum leak. Should be easy enough to check both and as a bonus you won't have to start throwing large wads of cash at it until you verify the simple stuff. Also, try pulling the IAC and cleaning it. If the throttle body itself is dirty, I'd recommend removing and cleaning it thoroughly. Easy to do and may actually help.



Like I posted previously, if the engine is started/running without the coolant sensor connected, a CEL/code is set and efan runs constant but didn't effect the way the engine ran.
The coolant sensor has a lot to do with the way the engine runs on a 1997! Without the sensor on the thermostat neck connected the engine will run like CRAP! Ask me how I know!