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Old Mar 25, 2015 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
2.6 mm oriface at the rear, to manifold vac. Large free front tube, to the airbox.... It's a "calibrated" vacuum leak I suppose.
Exactaly. If the hole is too big, it will raise the idle speed. It is an opening below the Throttle Blade.
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Old Mar 25, 2015 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CobraMarty
Exactaly. If the hole is too big, it will raise the idle speed. It is an opening below the Throttle Blade.
Agreed. The throttle plate, (buried screw) adjustment, is only to keep the plate from making a groove in the TB. By-bass air is thru the Idle Air Control, (IAC). The calibrated vacuum leak from the 2.6 mm orifice, should leave it within the parameters that the IAC and Puter' can handle.

It's actually a little motor. The computer moves the "pintle" in or out to do what we use to do with a screwdriver with the idle speed screw.

Don't power one up with it out! (might ruin it)

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Old Mar 28, 2015 | 07:39 PM
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Dorman 47057. Found mine at O'Riley. The card says PCV, but it's a CCV elbow.
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Old Mar 28, 2015 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluelight
Dorman 47057. Found mine at O'Riley. The card says PCV, but it's a CCV elbow.
that's not for the front. LOL
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Old Mar 28, 2015 | 08:52 PM
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It will work for the front, just drill out the hole
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Old Mar 28, 2015 | 09:38 PM
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I'm not so familiar with HO's. Still the front is large and free to vent, (needs to be), and the rear is 2.6mm, to the intake manifold.
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Old Mar 29, 2015 | 09:07 AM
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thats why i installed this. perfect fit. its free flowing like the original, except it has some of the foam inside to catch any oil that goes through it if the rear CCV gets clogged again

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...0572&ppt=C0088
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Old Mar 29, 2015 | 02:22 PM
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I don't think the foam is a good idea. Good chance after it clogs up crankcase pressure will make oil leak places like the rear main seal. The CCV orifice can't keep up with any real blow-by you might have, say climbing a hill.
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
I don't think the foam is a good idea. Good chance after it clogs up crankcase pressure will make oil leak places like the rear main seal. The CCV orifice can't keep up with any real blow-by you might have, say climbing a hill.
agreed.
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Old Mar 29, 2015 | 06:30 PM
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The front one is harder to find. It is easier to go to O'Reily auto parts to the help section. There get a Dorman 47057 and make the hole bigger.
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My bad


I went out and compared the front one on my '95 to the one on my '99 and they are different. It's not so much how they work, but how they fit. The one on the '95 is offset on the valve cover, and back between the throttle cables, and is as tall as the rear one. The front one on the '99 is centered on the valve cover, and way up near the front. It appears to be a lower profile one, I'm guessing for hood clearance. I don't know for sure, but I suspect the one on the 2001 is similar, and if the more common taller style were used, it may get smashed when the hood is closed.
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Old Mar 29, 2015 | 09:36 PM
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I put a breather on my 99 engine a while ago (diagnosing some issues), and the hood closes fine

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I think that in the ideal world with a good engine, The front draws filtered air in from the airbox and the rear is 'metered' with a smaller hole to draw out/vent and into the intake system under vacuum.

Over time with the rear getting clogged or with greater blowby, the front will act as the vent and oil will go into the air box. Oil in the airbox really means something is wrong.

A small filter on the front is the same as a tube plumbed into the stock airbox.
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Old Mar 30, 2015 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluelight
My bad

I went out and compared the front one on my '95 to the one on my '99 and they are different. It's not so much how they work, but how they fit. The one on the '95 is offset on the valve cover, and back between the throttle cables, and is as tall as the rear one. The front one on the '99 is centered on the valve cover, and way up near the front. It appears to be a lower profile one, I'm guessing for hood clearance. I don't know for sure, but I suspect the one on the 2001 is similar, and if the more common taller style were used, it may get smashed when the hood is closed.
Sorta... The front elbow went low-profile in 1999. My '99 and '01 had that. RockAuto wanted a zillion dollars more for shipping that so I just ordered the tall one used in 1998 - fits fine, no smashy, and my engine mounts are not exactly great.

Originally Posted by CobraMarty
I think that in the ideal world with a good engine, The front draws filtered air in from the airbox and the rear is 'metered' with a smaller hole to draw out/vent and into the intake system under vacuum.
Yep. CCV air and fumes are used during idle.

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Over time with the rear getting clogged or with greater blowby, the front will act as the vent and oil will go into the air box. Oil in the airbox really means something is wrong.
Yeah. Seems once you get 300k on them rings a bit of oil slips by! Much nicer to find a dirty air cover than having magical explodey oil leaks everywhere... Imagine all the RMS replacements.

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A small filter on the front is the same as a tube plumbed into the stock airbox.
In theory yes. In practice, the little breather filter needs to be at least the same efficiency as the OE air filter or you wind up sucking up dust. I don't think many of those breather elements are.
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Old Mar 30, 2015 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by salad
In theory yes. In practice, the little breather filter needs to be at least the same efficiency as the OE air filter or you wind up sucking up dust. I don't think many of those breather elements are.
Yeah its a concern. Generally you want it to be on main intake filter. Stock setups have it right at the filter, but the CAI setups usually have it on the tube (you can see the brass plug on my tube). The vacuum in the tube can get really high in some cases and I suspect it is starving the CCV inlet, and am testing a couple of alternative setups.
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