Overheating help needed for the last time
CF Veteran
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 7
From: West Deptford, NJ
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
CF Veteran
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 7
From: West Deptford, NJ
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
If coolant temp is 210F, even a 195F t-stat will be virtually wide open and coolant will be flowing through the rad and engine at the the same speed.
http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tec...ech_Tips_3.htm
http://www.stewartcomponents.com/tec...ech_Tips_3.htm
195s open up later. coolant doesnt flow at the same speed w/ a thermostat as it does without. these are jeeps that run hard on the trails. they are not race cars that are constantly moving a high speed being cooled
Last edited by RoyalXJ; Apr 7, 2010 at 07:31 AM.
when the temp climbs towards the red does you electrif fan ever kick on? Another thing you secondary gauge, where do you have the sensor? Have you tried using a laser thermometer to verify the gauges?
CF Veteran
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 8,172
Likes: 17
From: The Republic of TEXAS
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L HO
How many threads do we see beginning late fall/early winter titled "No heat" or "My heater doesn't work" or something similar..........and the reason for no/little heat is usually a plugged/clogged heater core.
Junior Member
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
From: SoCal via Detroit
Year: 1989
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6
I agree. A good chemical flush couldn't hurt especially after all the money spent already on new parts. That said, a flush will only work so well. Sometimes the heater core does have to be replaced.
Also, have you done a compression check to confirm that you haven't blown your head gasket (causing the overheating)?
Also, have you done a compression check to confirm that you haven't blown your head gasket (causing the overheating)?
CF Veteran
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 7
From: West Deptford, NJ
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
true. i had a blockage problem last spring. heat worked great in winter. i replaced everything but the heater core. after that i still had the high temp problem so i had it flushed at a shop. they told me there was most likely a build up in my heater core. i explained to them the heat was just fine during the winter. they told me that my heat would still work with the issue
CF Veteran
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 8,172
Likes: 17
From: The Republic of TEXAS
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L HO
195s open up later.
........later than what? Every t-stat I've tested, and I always test before installing, is wide open within 10-15 degrees above it's open temp.
coolant doesn't flow at the same speed w/ a thermostat as it does without.
.......... but it still flows the same speed through BOTH the rad and block/head when the t-stat is open. You can't make it flow slow through the rad and fast through the block/head.
these are jeeps that run hard on the trails.
..........even more reason to have coolant flow to be as fast as possible.
they are not race cars that are constantly moving a high speed being cooled
........later than what? Every t-stat I've tested, and I always test before installing, is wide open within 10-15 degrees above it's open temp.
coolant doesn't flow at the same speed w/ a thermostat as it does without.
.......... but it still flows the same speed through BOTH the rad and block/head when the t-stat is open. You can't make it flow slow through the rad and fast through the block/head.
these are jeeps that run hard on the trails.
..........even more reason to have coolant flow to be as fast as possible.
they are not race cars that are constantly moving a high speed being cooled
CF Veteran
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 7
From: West Deptford, NJ
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
i know these thing from experience. i played around with alot of different things when i had a cooling problem. i thought i knew it all but eventually i listened to the guys who had been messing jeeps all their lives from naxja. every bit of info i have taken from them has worked. you guys do what you want im gonna do what works.
CF Veteran
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 8,172
Likes: 17
From: The Republic of TEXAS
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L HO
i know these thing from experience. i played around with alot of different things when i had a cooling problem. i thought i knew it all but eventually i listened to the guys who had been messing jeeps all their lives from naxja. every bit of info i have taken from them has worked. you guys do what you want im gonna do what works.
Why do they make HI-FLOW water pumps.........to increase water flow at LOW engine speeds. Why have electric fans become prominent......... to increase air flow at LOW engine speeds. At 70mph any water pump will move coolant rapidly through the cooling system and you don't need a rad fan at 70mph because there's plenty of air going through the rad. At 70mph belt driven fans are free wheeling and electric fans are off.
So, to say that coolant can flow too fast through the rad is just an old myth perpetuated on the Internet.
CF Veteran
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 7
From: West Deptford, NJ
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
ok then explain why when i put a lower thermostat in my temp increased and when i removed it totally my jeep would boil over. all this was on the trail, not in normal driving situations. this is exactly what everyone told me was gonna happen and low and behold it did.
Junior Member
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
From: SoCal via Detroit
Year: 1989
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6
Look, seriously; I don't want to get involved in this and it really should be taken someplace else. Another forum member is asking for assistance with a problem. Both of your opinions have been noted and I'm sure he'll try at least one of them. Hell, he may try both!
CF Veteran
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 8,172
Likes: 17
From: The Republic of TEXAS
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L HO
Inadequate coolant flow, inadequate air flow and probably several other areas in your cooling system are inadequate for the extreme conditions under which it was operating (on the trail).
CF Veteran
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,839
Likes: 7
From: West Deptford, NJ
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Thread Starter
Seasoned Member
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 452
Likes: 0
From: Virginia
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 H.O.
No, i have not heard the E-fan kick on which is why I installed the aftermarket gauge. I went to homedepot and purchased a galvanized "T" and screwed it into the port on the t-stat housing where the coolant temp sensor would go and on one end of the "T" I screwed the sensor in and the other end I screwed the sensor for the gauge in. Last fall, I used a laser gun and found out my original gauge was incorrect hence the new gauge. I did just recently replace my heater control valve and it seemed that my original gauge was reading correct. Now, it has started to get hot out in WV and my temps started to go crazy again.


