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From: Indianapolis
Year: '99 and '91
Model: Cherokee
Originally Posted by Dan91
Eh, I'd beg to differ. Like the guy a few posts up stated, with lube/antiseize you need to adjust your torque rating accordingly. It's highly likely that a combination of over torque and a bad bolt caused this. Say, for example, the bolt was on the verge of breaking after he torqued it down. Then after some hours of sitting there over-strained it finally broke and let loose. Obviously not something that happens often, but it seems plausible.
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From: Landers, CA
Year: Several
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
It is possible to break the bolt head - even if he put double the torque on it and the bolt was defective. We've all broken bolts.
But the washer - bent like that at the same time? Unless the washer was made of pasta it would never happen.
TRY IT!
IT'S BULL!
n.
But the washer - bent like that at the same time? Unless the washer was made of pasta it would never happen.
TRY IT!
IT'S BULL!
n.
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Wheel, break, fix, repeat
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From: Chesapeake, VA
Year: 1987
Model: Cherokee
Engine: AMC I6 4.0
If you used aluminum for it - whose fault it that?
What do you think the chances are you bought BOTH a defective bolt AND a soft washer?
Show us a picture of both washer and bolt head sticking to a magnet.
The imprint label on the bolt is NOT aluminum! Even the Chinese aren't that stupid.
Even an aluminum washer won't crush down with an imprint like that.
TRY IT! Put a washer between a bolt head and nut and tighten it gorilla tight. TRY IT WITH STEEL, TRY IT WITH ALUMINUM.
There's something else you aren't telling us. Bolts don't break in the middle of the night untouched for no reason.
It's obviously a phoney post. Next time make up something more believable.
What do you think the chances are you bought BOTH a defective bolt AND a soft washer?
Show us a picture of both washer and bolt head sticking to a magnet.
The imprint label on the bolt is NOT aluminum! Even the Chinese aren't that stupid.
Even an aluminum washer won't crush down with an imprint like that.
TRY IT! Put a washer between a bolt head and nut and tighten it gorilla tight. TRY IT WITH STEEL, TRY IT WITH ALUMINUM.
There's something else you aren't telling us. Bolts don't break in the middle of the night untouched for no reason.
It's obviously a phoney post. Next time make up something more believable.
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Wheel, break, fix, repeat
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From: Chesapeake, VA
Year: 1987
Model: Cherokee
Engine: AMC I6 4.0
I didn't want to start a flame war here. I just wanted some advice from more experienced mechanics. I bought the bolts from a (formerly thought to be) trusted 'nuts and bolts' store in Chesapeake, Va. It's called A.M.S. (American Maintenance Suppliers), google it if you must. I bought all six bolts (M14 X 2 X 120mm), nuts, and washers for $35. After pricing these bolts last night and today I see that I got poor quality hardware. You get what you pay for.
I live in Chesapeake, Va. 70's/ low 80's during the day, high 30's/low 40's at night during this time of year.
I live in Chesapeake, Va. 70's/ low 80's during the day, high 30's/low 40's at night during this time of year.
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From: Garden Prairie
Year: 2000, (1957 Willys)
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Clearly the REAL issue here is that you failed to check for residual resonance resistance coming from the magnesium alloy housing of your turbo encabulator.
All friends here. If you think he's a troll, don't feed him. He did an awful lot of work to make-up a story . Based on that, I have no reason not to believe him.
I hear enough sniping from the wife. I come here to get away from that.
Again,
Hugs.....
All friends here. If you think he's a troll, don't feed him. He did an awful lot of work to make-up a story . Based on that, I have no reason not to believe him.
I hear enough sniping from the wife. I come here to get away from that.
Again,
Hugs.....
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From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Elexwiz,
I have no idea what the Haynes manual says. Here's the instructions from my '99 XJ FSM for replacement of the rear leaf spring. Note that the vehicle is on the ground when the bolts are torqued. This is for a '99 and should apply to the '87 as well. If someone has a '87 FSM that says something different, please jump in.
LEAF SPRING
REMOVAL
(1) Raise vehicle at body rails.
(2) Remove the wheel and tire assemblies.
(3) Support axle with hydraulic jack to relieve axle weight.
(4) Disconnect the stabilizer bar link from the spring bracket stud.
(5) Remove nuts, U-bolts and spring bracket from axle.
(6) Remove nut and bolt attaching spring front eye to shackle.
(7) Remove nut and bolt from spring rear eye.
(8) Remove spring from vehicle.
INSTALLATION
(1) Position the spring front eye in the bracket. Loosely install the attaching bolt. Do not tighten at this time.
(2) Position the rear eye in the shackle bracket. Loosely install the attaching bolt and nut. Do not tighten at this time.
(3) Position the axle. Install the spring bracket, U-bolts and nuts. Tighten the nuts to 70 N·m (52 ft. lbs.).
(4) Connect the stabilizer bar link to the spring bracket.
(5) Remove the hydraulic jack.
(6) Lower the vehicle.
(7) Tighten the spring front eye attaching bolts to 156 N·m (115 ft. lbs.).
(8) Tighten the spring rear eye attaching bolts to 108 N·m (80 ft. lbs.).
(9) Tighten the stabilizer bar link to 74 N·m (55 ft. lbs.).
I have no idea what the Haynes manual says. Here's the instructions from my '99 XJ FSM for replacement of the rear leaf spring. Note that the vehicle is on the ground when the bolts are torqued. This is for a '99 and should apply to the '87 as well. If someone has a '87 FSM that says something different, please jump in.
LEAF SPRING
REMOVAL
(1) Raise vehicle at body rails.
(2) Remove the wheel and tire assemblies.
(3) Support axle with hydraulic jack to relieve axle weight.
(4) Disconnect the stabilizer bar link from the spring bracket stud.
(5) Remove nuts, U-bolts and spring bracket from axle.
(6) Remove nut and bolt attaching spring front eye to shackle.
(7) Remove nut and bolt from spring rear eye.
(8) Remove spring from vehicle.
INSTALLATION
(1) Position the spring front eye in the bracket. Loosely install the attaching bolt. Do not tighten at this time.
(2) Position the rear eye in the shackle bracket. Loosely install the attaching bolt and nut. Do not tighten at this time.
(3) Position the axle. Install the spring bracket, U-bolts and nuts. Tighten the nuts to 70 N·m (52 ft. lbs.).
(4) Connect the stabilizer bar link to the spring bracket.
(5) Remove the hydraulic jack.
(6) Lower the vehicle.
(7) Tighten the spring front eye attaching bolts to 156 N·m (115 ft. lbs.).
(8) Tighten the spring rear eye attaching bolts to 108 N·m (80 ft. lbs.).
(9) Tighten the stabilizer bar link to 74 N·m (55 ft. lbs.).
Thread Starter
Wheel, break, fix, repeat
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From: Chesapeake, VA
Year: 1987
Model: Cherokee
Engine: AMC I6 4.0
Thread Starter
Wheel, break, fix, repeat
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 205
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From: Chesapeake, VA
Year: 1987
Model: Cherokee
Engine: AMC I6 4.0
Thank you for this info! I appreciate it.
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Wheel, break, fix, repeat
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From: Chesapeake, VA
Year: 1987
Model: Cherokee
Engine: AMC I6 4.0
I appreciate everyone's help here. I hit the bolt head and washer with a magnet and they are steel, I stand corrected. Here's a pic of the XJ Haynes Manual with the rear suspension torque specs.

When I get the new bolts I will swap out the old one-at-a-time. Then when all are swapped I will torque properly (without anti-seize). Appreciate everyone's input, advice, and time.
Thanks!

When I get the new bolts I will swap out the old one-at-a-time. Then when all are swapped I will torque properly (without anti-seize). Appreciate everyone's input, advice, and time.
Thanks!
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From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
I think anti-seize has its place under the sun...for certain applications, like components you plan on removing off & on, but for other applications that you know you will never remove again, why waste your time and money on the stuff. Rear leaf springs, for example....when will they be changed again...never.
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From: Oxford, OH
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Originally Posted by CCKen
I think anti-seize has its place under the sun...for certain applications, like components you plan on removing off & on, but for other applications that you know you will never remove again, why waste your time and money on the stuff. Rear leaf springs, for example....when will they be changed again...never.


