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Old Oct 19, 2013 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Salad compared a chip (as in useless) to thicker oil. Which is wrong. Thicker oil can help a worn motor. As for the highlighted. You made this up. You are trolling because you have no argument, or experience. I said lockers were not needed to have fun wheeling, and I have no idea where you came up with the latter? LOL Imagine if it were possible that all posts must be questions unless you have professional experience on the subject. You would not be posting at all would you? I am willing to bet you have never even held an oil pump in your hand. Probably a bottle of oil, but that is it. All I can say is you enjoy your internet freedom where no one checks your actual experience on the matter. This discussion has ran its course. I just hope that those lurking are wise enough to separate the ideas given and take in the ones that may help them. All the best.
You clearly have no reading skills. Additionally, you stated all that about 6 months ago. Frankly no one needs to check my experience. I'm trying to show people the idiocy you come up with which you have already proven. Ask around, I don't need to show credentials to prove myself. I think I might be a tad more respected around here than you. * I stand corrected Sean Penn. You wanted to drill holes in your leaf springs. And then debated for 9 pages why you were right *
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Old Oct 19, 2013 | 02:02 PM
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You clearly have no reading skills. Additionally, you stated all that about 6 months ago. Frankly no one needs to check my internet experience. I'm trying to show people the idiocy you come up with which you have already proven. Ask around, I don't need to show credentials to prove myself. I think I might be a tad more respected around here than you.

Hell no!! We know you have that! LOL That was my point.

Have a great day. I am back to motor work unfortunately. My shop is week nights and weekends. 4x4 shop week days. Yes I dont have much of a life now except 80+ hrs of work every week. But I am single so may as well.

Don't take anything personal here. Opinions vary, they always will.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 02:06 PM
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Hell no!! We know you have that! LOL That was my point. Have a great day. I am back to motor work unfortunately. My shop is week nights and weekends. 4x4 shop week days. Yes I dont have much of a life now except 80+ hrs of work every week. But I am single so may as well. Don't take anything personal here. Opinions vary, they always will.
Way to go tanto. You edited my post in your quote. Have fun drilling out leaf springs and running your fuel tank in your hatch.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 06:02 PM
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The scary thing is, guys who are here to LEARN won't know what to believe. To anyone wondering- salad and cf1k1 are correct. Holycaveman- not even close. Pumps do not create pressure. Pumps create FLOW. Restriction to flow creates PRESSURE. Remember those old tire pumps that were like pogo sticks? You could work the handle up and down all day, but if you kinked the hose, it got hard to pump right away. The reason for this is that the kink was a restriction, and pressure was created on account of this.

As far as heavier motor oil goes-
Heavier oil is NOT going to fill a worn out engine like holycaveman claims. the viscosity is lower, and this means it has lower resistance to flow, which, as salad says, isn't going to fill the gaps and will wear out quicker.

Even if it DID do as holycaveman suggests, all that it would be doing is limping an engine along that REALLY needs rebuilding, and with every mile, you increase the chance of catastrophic failure and an even larger parts bill.

I don't claim to be an expert like holycaveman CLAIMS he is. However, I did pay attention in my college engines class.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 08:34 PM
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The scary thing is, guys who are here to LEARN won't know what to believe. To anyone wondering- salad and cf1k1 are correct. Holycaveman- not even close. Pumps do not create pressure. Pumps create FLOW. Restriction to flow creates PRESSURE. Remember those old tire pumps that were like pogo sticks? You could work the handle up and down all day, but if you kinked the hose, it got hard to pump right away. The reason for this is that the kink was a restriction, and pressure was created on account of this.

As far as heavier motor oil goes-
Heavier oil is NOT going to fill a worn out engine like holycaveman claims. the viscosity is lower, and this means it has lower resistance to flow, which, as salad says, isn't going to fill the gaps and will wear out quicker.

Even if it DID do as holycaveman suggests, all that it would be doing is limping an engine along that REALLY needs rebuilding, and with every mile, you increase the chance of catastrophic failure and an even larger parts bill.

I don't claim to be an expert like holycaveman CLAIMS he is. However, I did pay attention in my college engines class.

Glad you could clear it up for everyone. Another person with absolutely no experience. Sad really that experience is not a qualification for the internet.

I just hope people are wise enough to separate the truth from the falsities.

Fortunately for you and others in here you dont have to make a living at it. You have no repercussions for your wrong information. If I do it wrong at work, I have to pay for it. Big difference.

About your rebuttal, its just a troll, your comments do not even pertain to the discussion. Anyone with any sense can see that. You are just choosing sides, that is all. Full of information with no understanding. I see this so much these days.


Edit: Kind of getting tired of this really. I try to be nice, but damn this is pushing it. First off your rebuttal is completely wrong. I never said the oil pump produced pressure.

Its evident from your post you have no idea at all what you are talking about. Yet you are damn sure you about arguing about it. What the heck, do you like just causing problems?

Its fine to diss agree with someone, we all do that. But to go to the extent that you guys do to make another person look bad who is actually trying to help is just being a complete A$$. I am not a know it all. There is tons of threads I stay out of because I DONT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN THE MATTTER. So I shut my pie hole.

You guys carry on an argument like you know whats going on whether you heard it as a rumor, read it in a tabloid, or thought there was a college class about it. Frankly I am amazed at the amount of A H*^&$ on the internet. NEVER in my life have I found such people!

Fortunately I have met many very nice individuals on the net. So I know its not everyone.

All I can suggest is to grow up, speak from experience and not rumors and hear say. And you will find few to argue with.

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Old Oct 19, 2013 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Glad you could clear it up for everyone.
Is it lonely on your pedestal?
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Glad you could clear it up for everyone. Another person with absolutely no experience. Sad really that experience is not a qualification for the internet.

I just hope people are wise enough to separate the truth from the falsities.

Fortunately for you and others in here you dont have to make a living at it. You have no repercussions for your wrong information. If I do it wrong at work, I have to pay for it. Big difference.

About your rebuttal, its just a troll, your comments do not even pertain to the discussion. Anyone with any sense can see that. You are just choosing sides, that is all. Full of information with no understanding. I see this so much these days.



All the best.
ACTUALLY... I worked at a John Deere dealer for about a year. I was damn good at my job, and was working my way through college. There is only one reason I'm not still there.
1. they started closing branch dealerships and shuffling people around. Unfortunately, since I was low man on the pole, I got lost in the shuffle and suddenly- no more room for me. Or so it was explained to me by my service manager, anyway.

Also.. I paid attention in my engines and hydraulics classes. Its true, they weren't an advanced engine performance class- that would have been this semester. But when it comes to this, I know enough to know what I'm talking about. This is very basic stuff.

Also- I would like to correct an intentional error in a statement I made earlier. In heavier engine oils, the viscosity is HIGHER- meaning it has a greater resistance to flow. You know, for someone who bulds race motors, it seems like you would have caught that.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 09:14 PM
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So I have an oil pressure question also. I recently changed my oil, used a wix filter and Royal Purple 5w30, and while driving my pressure is at the line after the middle line. While idling or at a stop, it's at the halfway line. I honestly have no idea what it should be at. Any help? It runs fine and isles fine though. I think it's where it should be
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BSmithers24
So I have an oil pressure question also. I recently changed my oil, used a wix filter and Royal Purple 5w30, and while driving my pressure is at the line after the middle line. While idling or at a stop, it's at the halfway line. I honestly have no idea what it should be at. Any help? It runs fine and isles fine though. I think it's where it should be
Where it sits while driving is "normal". It sounds like your issue is a bad sending unit. BUT!! You need to verify this with a mechanical gauge. All of this has been stated already, but for the sake of clarification, there it is again! Good luck. But really it's nothing to worry about.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by VTJeep
Is it lonely on your pedestal?

Heck no, its not a pedestal. Its among a common knowledge from people with experience that make their current living from it.

For some reason on the net every little miniscule idea or comment becomes an argument. Sad, very sad.

And shame on me for even entertaining an argument with those who have no real knowledge of the subject. I should have not replied to them at all.

But I did so I am to blame as much as anyone.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 10:02 PM
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...I am to blame as much as anyone.
Dude I blame you for everything.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 10:05 PM
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ACTUALLY... I worked at a John Deere dealer for about a year. I was damn good at my job, and was working my way through college. There is only one reason I'm not still there.
1. they started closing branch dealerships and shuffling people around. Unfortunately, since I was low man on the pole, I got lost in the shuffle and suddenly- no more room for me. Or so it was explained to me by my service manager, anyway.

Also.. I paid attention in my engines and hydraulics classes. Its true, they weren't an advanced engine performance class- that would have been this semester. But when it comes to this, I know enough to know what I'm talking about. This is very basic stuff.

Also- I would like to correct an intentional error in a statement I made earlier. In heavier engine oils, the viscosity is HIGHER- meaning it has a greater resistance to flow. You know, for someone who bulds race motors, it seems like you would have caught that.
If you knew what to argue about, I would have a discussion with you. But you don't. You are not arguing a point I am against. Its just foolishness at this point. Same with the other guys. They did not even know what to argue about. Is arguing that important?

All I said was in a worn out motor thicker oil can aid in keeping the chatter and the potential for more motor wear down.

Its not such a huge deal. What I said is true, without a doubt. That is all I said. I run 5/30 motor oil in my cherokee, 20/50 in my race bike, and 10/40 in the street bike.

So we have had 3 pages of bickering because a guy said this? Talk about boredom.........
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 10:06 PM
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Dude I blame you for everything.


LOL

You don't even know what the chatter was about. Troll somewhere else.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BSmithers24
So I have an oil pressure question also. I recently changed my oil, used a wix filter and Royal Purple 5w30, and while driving my pressure is at the line after the middle line. While idling or at a stop, it's at the halfway line. I honestly have no idea what it should be at. Any help? It runs fine and isles fine though. I think it's where it should be
How many miles? Completely normal for a well-used engine on 5w30.
Old Oct 19, 2013 | 10:28 PM
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holycaveman runs around telling people to run blocks. that should ruin all of his credibility right there.



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