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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 88 Thumper
Just checked that & NO .......so I got back under & adjusted with it in reverse until I got ther reverse lights, then locked it back down. Back into the Jeep & samething, no crank in park/Neutral. Slid the shifter back & forth couple a times & same result. But after all this the light are again not coming back on when in reverse, this ##@&** is pissing me off.
There is a range where the reverse lights will come on, there is also a jumper that can be made to close the circuit in your NSS that will allow your starter to function (I'll find it and post). To determine the range, loosen the adjustment bolt (the small 10 or 11 mm bolt, not the lock nut on the output shaft) and rotate the NSS until your reverse lights come on and note (or mark) the position. Continue rotating in the same direction until they turn off and note that location. Then adjust the NSS so that you're in the middle of that range.

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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 06:30 PM
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Alright, it's wire "B" and "C" (they're labeled on the NSS side of the plug), use a piece of wire or a paper clip to jump those two ports on the NSS plug and it should start. If it doesn't then your NSS isn't the problem, if it does start then your NSS is defective or out of adjustment.

It may be obvious but... Your NSS must be plugged into the harness in order for the jumper to work.

!!!Make sure your transmission is in PARK when you perform this test!!!

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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 06:34 PM
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For your own knowledge...

Continuity should exist between terminals B and C (both should be BLACK wires) when the transmission is in PARK or NEUTRAL

Continuity should exist between terminals A and E with the transmission in REVERSE, it is this continuity that illuminates your reverse lights.

Continuity should exist between terminals A and G with the transmission in THIRD gear.

You can test this with a multimeter.

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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 06:55 PM
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Check for voltage on the small wire that you jump to the big one to start it - while someone tries to turn the key.
It should be 0 until the key is turned to start - then 12 volts.

That signal comes from the ignition switch, then through the NSS. You should be able to find that wire under the dash - to make sure the ignition switch start (S) terminal is working.

That's why everyone should have a factory service manual - cheap on CD's.
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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by trust96xj
try the parking switch stuff. mine was bad and caused me to not be able to start and when i did itd run kinda funny. replaced it and boom fired right up. went out again. now i can only start in "N"

What do you mean by " Parking switch stuff" I have not a clue what that is
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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 88 Thumper
What do you mean by " Parking switch stuff" I have not a clue what that is
I think he's referring to the NSS. Do the tests listed above. I would start with the jumper (because it's easy and will tell us a lot) and if that fails to start her, we'll move on the rrich's suggestion to test the start signal to your starter.
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Old Apr 22, 2012 | 10:38 PM
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Sounds to me like you might have an old cranky starter. It may test out okay electrically, but you could have sticking brushes that don't make good contact with the armature inside, or dirty/corroded contact points on the armature. This presents as an intermittant issue, but one that once it occurs, can be a pain to have it "reset" itself.

Try carefully taping on the side of the starter housing with a hammer and see if it will start. No guarantees, but this will often loosen stuck brushes enough to spring forward and make contact with the armature so it can start. If it is a stuck brush problem that is...

If you hear a click when trying to start but the engine doesn't try to turn, you at least know you've got voltage to the starter, but not necessarily the proper amperage. A weak ground may allow proper voltage to get down there, but not allow enough amperage to actually turn the starter motor. Check your grounds as others have suggested. Given your other symptoms, I'd say you have a ground issue. An easy way to check this would be to use some jumper cables to bridge between the battery negative and the engine block (unpainted surface or bracket) or starter housing. Use the other cable to bridge between the battery negative and the body. If it cranks right up, check you ground straps and connecting points.
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 12:57 AM
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Did you try the jumper?
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 88 Thumper
Problem started like this, driving down the road & volt meter jumping all over, loss of power from the motor as well, pulled into station & now won't start.***********hold over ignition & cross the + - at the starter...ureaka it started!!
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it did not run good for the ride home. Same stuff..volt drops,

Hey there F1. neat tip on the NSS jumper. Pretty choppy thread, just want to slip in a few things then I'll butt out.

I Notice he mentions holding the key over and jumping power to the solenoid wire. Holding the key shouldn't make a difference.

I agree with Rrich, but if he jumps power there and it starts, it seems safe to assume there wasn't before. And yea, the ignition sends power to the relay, which will go on to the solenoid, if the relay works and the NSS is grounding it. I think that power is on a fused link.

That shouldn't make it run like ******

Might want to find the ASD relay, swap it with the AC relay and check the blades/socket there.

Do the ignition and the ASD share a fusible link? Fuses there to the ASD? Connections at the fuse-box?

So there's that. With the NSS ruled out, and no click, I'd maybe look for power there at the start relay.


Battery connections, all four surfaces are shiny clean lead. That thin, grey crust might look OK, but is actually a good insulator that might account for some of what's going on. Shiny!

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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by macgyver35
ground issue. An easy way to check this would be to use some jumper cables to bridge between the battery negative and the engine block (unpainted surface or bracket) or starter housing. Use the other cable to bridge between the battery negative and the body.
Easy test, that^. I guess the starter goes every time it's jumped, doesn't need a whack. Harbor Freight sells a meter that actually works, < $5 Btw. You can win this one!
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 04:39 AM
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if you turn key to start position check small wire on starter for current if theres nothing maybe ignition switch to a do do?
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by macgyver35
Sounds to me like you might have an old cranky starter. It may test out okay electrically, but you could have sticking brushes that don't make good contact with the armature inside, or dirty/corroded contact points on the armature. This presents as an intermittant issue, but one that once it occurs, can be a pain to have it "reset" itself.

Try carefully taping on the side of the starter housing with a hammer and see if it will start. No guarantees, but this will often loosen stuck brushes enough to spring forward and make contact with the armature so it can start. If it is a stuck brush problem that is...

If you hear a click when trying to start but the engine doesn't try to turn, you at least know you've got voltage to the starter, but not necessarily the proper amperage. A weak ground may allow proper voltage to get down there, but not allow enough amperage to actually turn the starter motor. Check your grounds as others have suggested. Given your other symptoms, I'd say you have a ground issue. An easy way to check this would be to use some jumper cables to bridge between the battery negative and the engine block (unpainted surface or bracket) or starter housing. Use the other cable to bridge between the battery negative and the body. If it cranks right up, check you ground straps and connecting points.
There is no "click" when turning the key. And as far as the starter goes I've had it bench tested @ Autozone & Advance Auto & both times it passed twice. But I wonder if the bench testers test the cylinoid as well?
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by F1Addict
Did you try the jumper?

Yes & no, I jumped the 2 connections with a paper clip & tried turning the motor over & nada. But you said the connectors have to be plugged back into eachother? How do I do that with a paper clip standing up out of the female side?
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Originally Posted by freegdr
if you turn key to start position check small wire on starter for current if theres nothing maybe ignition switch to a do do?
have you done this?
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Old Apr 23, 2012 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rrich
Check for voltage on the small wire that you jump to the big one to start it - while someone tries to turn the key.
It should be 0 until the key is turned to start - then 12 volts.

That signal comes from the ignition switch, then through the NSS. You should be able to find that wire under the dash - to make sure the ignition switch start (S) terminal is working.

That's why everyone should have a factory service manual - cheap on CD's.

O.K. would like to check the ignition switch but don't know where or how? I'm in my 40"s (shh) & have been wrenching on cars for years but when it comes to this electrical stuff I ALWAYS TRIED TO STAY AWAY FROM IT. But recently I have been trying to learn so any help for location & testing would help.
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