NO Start...out of ideas....HELP!!!
Just checked that & NO .......so I got back under & adjusted with it in reverse until I got ther reverse lights, then locked it back down. Back into the Jeep & samething, no crank in park/Neutral. Slid the shifter back & forth couple a times & same result. But after all this the light are again not coming back on when in reverse, this ##@&** is pissing me off.
Last edited by F1Addict; Apr 22, 2012 at 06:36 PM.
Alright, it's wire "B" and "C" (they're labeled on the NSS side of the plug), use a piece of wire or a paper clip to jump those two ports on the NSS plug and it should start. If it doesn't then your NSS isn't the problem, if it does start then your NSS is defective or out of adjustment.
It may be obvious but... Your NSS must be plugged into the harness in order for the jumper to work.
!!!Make sure your transmission is in PARK when you perform this test!!!
It may be obvious but... Your NSS must be plugged into the harness in order for the jumper to work.
!!!Make sure your transmission is in PARK when you perform this test!!!
Last edited by F1Addict; Apr 22, 2012 at 06:44 PM.
For your own knowledge...
Continuity should exist between terminals B and C (both should be BLACK wires) when the transmission is in PARK or NEUTRAL
Continuity should exist between terminals A and E with the transmission in REVERSE, it is this continuity that illuminates your reverse lights.
Continuity should exist between terminals A and G with the transmission in THIRD gear.
You can test this with a multimeter.
Continuity should exist between terminals B and C (both should be BLACK wires) when the transmission is in PARK or NEUTRAL
Continuity should exist between terminals A and E with the transmission in REVERSE, it is this continuity that illuminates your reverse lights.
Continuity should exist between terminals A and G with the transmission in THIRD gear.
You can test this with a multimeter.
Last edited by F1Addict; Apr 22, 2012 at 06:38 PM.
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Check for voltage on the small wire that you jump to the big one to start it - while someone tries to turn the key.
It should be 0 until the key is turned to start - then 12 volts.
That signal comes from the ignition switch, then through the NSS. You should be able to find that wire under the dash - to make sure the ignition switch start (S) terminal is working.
That's why everyone should have a factory service manual - cheap on CD's.
It should be 0 until the key is turned to start - then 12 volts.
That signal comes from the ignition switch, then through the NSS. You should be able to find that wire under the dash - to make sure the ignition switch start (S) terminal is working.
That's why everyone should have a factory service manual - cheap on CD's.
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What do you mean by " Parking switch stuff" I have not a clue what that is
I think he's referring to the NSS. Do the tests listed above. I would start with the jumper (because it's easy and will tell us a lot) and if that fails to start her, we'll move on the rrich's suggestion to test the start signal to your starter.
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Sounds to me like you might have an old cranky starter. It may test out okay electrically, but you could have sticking brushes that don't make good contact with the armature inside, or dirty/corroded contact points on the armature. This presents as an intermittant issue, but one that once it occurs, can be a pain to have it "reset" itself.
Try carefully taping on the side of the starter housing with a hammer and see if it will start. No guarantees, but this will often loosen stuck brushes enough to spring forward and make contact with the armature so it can start. If it is a stuck brush problem that is...
If you hear a click when trying to start but the engine doesn't try to turn, you at least know you've got voltage to the starter, but not necessarily the proper amperage. A weak ground may allow proper voltage to get down there, but not allow enough amperage to actually turn the starter motor. Check your grounds as others have suggested. Given your other symptoms, I'd say you have a ground issue. An easy way to check this would be to use some jumper cables to bridge between the battery negative and the engine block (unpainted surface or bracket) or starter housing. Use the other cable to bridge between the battery negative and the body. If it cranks right up, check you ground straps and connecting points.
Try carefully taping on the side of the starter housing with a hammer and see if it will start. No guarantees, but this will often loosen stuck brushes enough to spring forward and make contact with the armature so it can start. If it is a stuck brush problem that is...
If you hear a click when trying to start but the engine doesn't try to turn, you at least know you've got voltage to the starter, but not necessarily the proper amperage. A weak ground may allow proper voltage to get down there, but not allow enough amperage to actually turn the starter motor. Check your grounds as others have suggested. Given your other symptoms, I'd say you have a ground issue. An easy way to check this would be to use some jumper cables to bridge between the battery negative and the engine block (unpainted surface or bracket) or starter housing. Use the other cable to bridge between the battery negative and the body. If it cranks right up, check you ground straps and connecting points.
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Hey there F1. neat tip on the NSS jumper. Pretty choppy thread, just want to slip in a few things then I'll butt out.

I Notice he mentions holding the key over and jumping power to the solenoid wire. Holding the key shouldn't make a difference.
I agree with Rrich, but if he jumps power there and it starts, it seems safe to assume there wasn't before. And yea, the ignition sends power to the relay, which will go on to the solenoid, if the relay works and the NSS is grounding it. I think that power is on a fused link.
That shouldn't make it run like ******
Might want to find the ASD relay, swap it with the AC relay and check the blades/socket there.
Do the ignition and the ASD share a fusible link? Fuses there to the ASD? Connections at the fuse-box?
So there's that. With the NSS ruled out, and no click, I'd maybe look for power there at the start relay.
Whew
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if you turn key to start position check small wire on starter for current if theres nothing maybe ignition switch to a do do?
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Sounds to me like you might have an old cranky starter. It may test out okay electrically, but you could have sticking brushes that don't make good contact with the armature inside, or dirty/corroded contact points on the armature. This presents as an intermittant issue, but one that once it occurs, can be a pain to have it "reset" itself.
Try carefully taping on the side of the starter housing with a hammer and see if it will start. No guarantees, but this will often loosen stuck brushes enough to spring forward and make contact with the armature so it can start. If it is a stuck brush problem that is...
If you hear a click when trying to start but the engine doesn't try to turn, you at least know you've got voltage to the starter, but not necessarily the proper amperage. A weak ground may allow proper voltage to get down there, but not allow enough amperage to actually turn the starter motor. Check your grounds as others have suggested. Given your other symptoms, I'd say you have a ground issue. An easy way to check this would be to use some jumper cables to bridge between the battery negative and the engine block (unpainted surface or bracket) or starter housing. Use the other cable to bridge between the battery negative and the body. If it cranks right up, check you ground straps and connecting points.
Try carefully taping on the side of the starter housing with a hammer and see if it will start. No guarantees, but this will often loosen stuck brushes enough to spring forward and make contact with the armature so it can start. If it is a stuck brush problem that is...
If you hear a click when trying to start but the engine doesn't try to turn, you at least know you've got voltage to the starter, but not necessarily the proper amperage. A weak ground may allow proper voltage to get down there, but not allow enough amperage to actually turn the starter motor. Check your grounds as others have suggested. Given your other symptoms, I'd say you have a ground issue. An easy way to check this would be to use some jumper cables to bridge between the battery negative and the engine block (unpainted surface or bracket) or starter housing. Use the other cable to bridge between the battery negative and the body. If it cranks right up, check you ground straps and connecting points.
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Check for voltage on the small wire that you jump to the big one to start it - while someone tries to turn the key.
It should be 0 until the key is turned to start - then 12 volts.
That signal comes from the ignition switch, then through the NSS. You should be able to find that wire under the dash - to make sure the ignition switch start (S) terminal is working.
That's why everyone should have a factory service manual - cheap on CD's.
It should be 0 until the key is turned to start - then 12 volts.
That signal comes from the ignition switch, then through the NSS. You should be able to find that wire under the dash - to make sure the ignition switch start (S) terminal is working.
That's why everyone should have a factory service manual - cheap on CD's.
O.K. would like to check the ignition switch but don't know where or how? I'm in my 40"s (shh) & have been wrenching on cars for years but when it comes to this electrical stuff I ALWAYS TRIED TO STAY AWAY FROM IT. But recently I have been trying to learn so any help for location & testing would help.




