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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 09:10 AM
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I had hopeful thoughts... I'm not sure how many times you have seen it when someone comes in after being struck by lightning? (Happens more than you would think) My Mom seen this twice during her time. Three times is what I have seen. All three times they lived.
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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 09:17 AM
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Interestingly... lightning strikes have been reported as up to 200,000 amps. How is it possible they lived through this?

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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 09:22 AM
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According to what I just read now, after looking up to see the amperage.. a lightning strike can heat the ground around it up to five times the temperature of the sun too!
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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 09:29 AM
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Lightning isn't like other types of electric currents and its physics are unique, according to Cooper.

That means that lightning hits your body in a different way from when you, say, stick your finger in an electrical socket. Most of the current from a lightning strike actually passes over your skin in a phenomenon called "flashover," said Cooper.

"Say your body is like a bucket sitting out on the patio somewhere," she explained. "When lightning hits, it's like pointing a fire hose at the bucket. Only a small amount of water actually gets in, and the majority of water splashes out and around the bucket."

The heat produced when it passes over the body can cause burns, but the strike lasts for so little time -- just a few microseconds -- that it rarely causes serious burns.
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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 09:31 AM
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"The vast majority of deaths are caused by ground current, where lightning hits a distance away and then travels through the ground in all directions. And if you're close enough to the point it hit the ground, then you get an electric charge," Cooper added.
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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 09:36 AM
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The lightning strike injuries I seen were related to the person being tossed probably 15 feet through the air when the event took place, and they got injured in that way.
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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 12:34 PM
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Oh my what has this thread turned into 😂? I don’t have the cherokee home with me, it’s at a friends house. It should be home today and I’ll update y’all and try what you’ve said hopefully.
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Originally Posted by awg
its too hard to tell from those vids

you need to place mechanics stethoscope on the head, to see if you can identify what cylinder it is coming from (sounds like top end)

is there any indication of loss of performance ?

(one way to check is pull each spark plug wire while the engine is running..the drop in RPM should be the same each time...if you pull one and the motor doesnt change much, that means that cylinder is not functioning as it should)...be careful not to get a jolt from the plug wire
Okay when I can I will do just that.
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Old Dec 25, 2019 | 12:49 PM
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Just some helpful advice.. Maybe you should wear insulated gloves, keep away from ladders and power lines, and do not work on the Jeep during a thunderstorm.

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Old Jan 2, 2020 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave51
Well I can't find a single instance of an ignition system-related death anywhere, peer-reviewed or not.

That said, IMO if one has a pacemaker or underlying arrhytmia, one shouldn't temp fate.

JFTFOT, I started looking at stun guns. They got a ton of voltage but little amperage (like 3-4 mA). Indeed, the ones that will really clobber someone are about 5 mA. This is in keeping with our chart up above.

So looking at this backwards, if you get an ignition jolt but are still standing, it's probably only about 1 mA (but who cares how many volts).
Not to put too fine a point on it, I think that someone needs to talk NOAH911 in to backing away from the ledge.
Male nurse here (retired) over 22yrs all kinds of adult ICU's including Cardiac and Cardiovascular surgery. As an invasive cardiology practitioner I believe you are most familiar with values for electricity at the heart like in the cath lab or even as adjunct to Heart surgery with internal paddles. The point here is that the current has to pass through the central thorax - indeed the heart itself - for major interruption of normal heart function. As an example of this, in a code situation you would never place the electrode patches in two places along the right side of the chest, or on either hip bone because they would be completely ineffective. That is why placement across the chest or front to back through the chest is critical. Except in the cases that you outlined - pacemaker, ongoing arrhythmia, electrolyte imbalance, to name a few - the 30 to 100 thousand volts on the secondary of a car's ignition rarely causes any difficulty because the high voltage activates the reflex arc and snatches the offending finger away from the source. Of course, it indiscriminately activates both flexors and extensors so that is where the ache comes from afterward. But it doesn't go through the chest. In the case of lightning (I've only assisted in one case) there is flashover, but often there is also a wound path through the tissue and survival is more likely if the path doesn't "cross the center" ie.: right shoulder or arm straight down the right leg, instead of crossing over to the left.
Sorry to go on but some of this was beginning to spin out of control and I just came here because I am getting tired of manually shifting my automatic Cherokee.
In short, gloves and/or pliers are a great idea, but just don't lick your palm and rest it on the negative terminal of the battery while pulling the sparkplug wire off with your other hand. It'll smart worse.
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Originally Posted by Larry87XJ
Not to put too fine a point on it, I think that someone needs to talk NOAH911 in to backing away from the ledge.
Male nurse here (retired) over 22yrs all kinds of adult ICU's including Cardiac and Cardiovascular surgery. As an invasive cardiology practitioner I believe you are most familiar with values for electricity at the heart like in the cath lab or even as adjunct to Heart surgery with internal paddles. The point here is that the current has to pass through the central thorax - indeed the heart itself - for major interruption of normal heart function. As an example of this, in a code situation you would never place the electrode patches in two places along the right side of the chest, or on either hip bone because they would be completely ineffective. That is why placement across the chest or front to back through the chest is critical. Except in the cases that you outlined - pacemaker, ongoing arrhythmia, electrolyte imbalance, to name a few - the 30 to 100 thousand volts on the secondary of a car's ignition rarely causes any difficulty because the high voltage activates the reflex arc and snatches the offending finger away from the source. Of course, it indiscriminately activates both flexors and extensors so that is where the ache comes from afterward. But it doesn't go through the chest. In the case of lightning (I've only assisted in one case) there is flashover, but often there is also a wound path through the tissue and survival is more likely if the path doesn't "cross the center" ie.: right shoulder or arm straight down the right leg, instead of crossing over to the left.
Sorry to go on but some of this was beginning to spin out of control and I just came here because I am getting tired of manually shifting my automatic Cherokee.
In short, gloves and/or pliers are a great idea, but just don't lick your palm and rest it on the negative terminal of the battery while pulling the sparkplug wire off with your other hand. It'll smart worse.
What do you mean?
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Originally Posted by Noah911
What do you mean?
I don't mean any offense, but you seemed to be getting kind of out there. Torsades de pointes is a very rare arrhythmia, for instance. It is very dangerous if untreated but easily treated in the hospital environment. You go on to equating single phase 240v power from a downline from a transformer with a spark from an ignition coil. that is like saying if you get a sunburn you will probably burn to a crisp. I am just saying you sound like you are freaking out a bit by the idea of a little shock. There is some potential for injury there but it is most often an annoying bit of pain and rarely if ever fatal. Insulated pliers and possibly even non-conductive gloves are a prudent suggestion.
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Old Jan 2, 2020 | 11:52 PM
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No offense taken.

You are right though.. I don't only just seem 'kind of' out there. I am way out there in all honest reality. Good observation.

Really, I was wondering how you knew I was out on a ledge? I got up there and took good look down below.
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Old Apr 3, 2020 | 02:13 PM
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lmao at this post, did the OP figure out his issue? I've got a similar noise coming from my 01 XJ Sport, handing it off to my son so we're looking to get it fixed
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Old Apr 3, 2020 | 03:20 PM
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I think it turned out to be Brugada syndrome.
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