i think to big of exhaust
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From: Detroit, MI
Year: 1994
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They do flow more air and give you a itsy bitsy boost in power. They are also excellent for sanding down the cylinder walls, valve stems, and bearing races.
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Year: 1998
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From: steilacoom washington
Year: 1990
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i think once i reset my ecu . everything runs better and makes enough torque and power . and the idle at the lights has happen twice were it just died out but after a couple of minutes still driving it goes back to normal
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ok, IAC valve might be getting a lil dirty, clean it out and see what happens.
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From: milwaukee wi.
Year: 1993
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2.5 and up diameter pipes are really only needed for blown engines. unless you have a heavily modified engine 2" is quite good, 2.5 is a doable replacement when stock rust's out.
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From: steilacoom washington
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and if you don't want mud or sand in it,shouldn't a pre air filter cover dis prove sanding down the cylinder walls .
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The only way to make an air filter flow more air, given the same surface area, is to make the holes bigger.
In your average K&N...the holes are so big you could drive a grain of sand through them...and that is what happens. They flow more air...and more dirt. And the dirt sands down your cylinders and every other moving part.
Their own advertising tells you that their "efficiency improves as they become more clogged with dirt". This blows me away...to ADVERTISE that your filter does not stop as much dirt when it is clean as when it is dirty.
If you pull the filter off your engine entirely you won't get 10 horsepower. The OEM paper filters are not that restrictive. Measure off a quarter mile and time your run. Just from a standstill, stomp on the gas pedal. Then pull the filter element out and do it again. You cant measure the difference.
Again...this is a huge marketing exercise on the part of filter makers like K&N. Under the hood of a Duramax or PS or Cummins truck there is a little gauge that tells you when your air filter should be replaced. There is even a reset button! It is there because people are freaked out about engine longevity and are changing out their filters when they don't need changing.
Nothing I say will stop people from buying K&Ns...and that's a shame because they are singlehandedly responsible for more worn-out motors than any other filter company out there. Just my 2 cents worth.
In your average K&N...the holes are so big you could drive a grain of sand through them...and that is what happens. They flow more air...and more dirt. And the dirt sands down your cylinders and every other moving part.
Their own advertising tells you that their "efficiency improves as they become more clogged with dirt". This blows me away...to ADVERTISE that your filter does not stop as much dirt when it is clean as when it is dirty.
If you pull the filter off your engine entirely you won't get 10 horsepower. The OEM paper filters are not that restrictive. Measure off a quarter mile and time your run. Just from a standstill, stomp on the gas pedal. Then pull the filter element out and do it again. You cant measure the difference.
Again...this is a huge marketing exercise on the part of filter makers like K&N. Under the hood of a Duramax or PS or Cummins truck there is a little gauge that tells you when your air filter should be replaced. There is even a reset button! It is there because people are freaked out about engine longevity and are changing out their filters when they don't need changing.
Nothing I say will stop people from buying K&Ns...and that's a shame because they are singlehandedly responsible for more worn-out motors than any other filter company out there. Just my 2 cents worth.
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From: The Republic of TEXAS
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Good read.
http://www.dieselbombers.com/chevy-g...r-testing.html
Like CAEMI said, if it flows more air, it passes more dirt. The paper filter will flow more air than the 4.0L draws under 99.99% of driving conditions and do a better job of filtering out dirt. A cotton/gauze filter won't make 10hp over paper in the rpm range where 99.99% of every day driving is done.
http://www.dieselbombers.com/chevy-g...r-testing.html
Like CAEMI said, if it flows more air, it passes more dirt. The paper filter will flow more air than the 4.0L draws under 99.99% of driving conditions and do a better job of filtering out dirt. A cotton/gauze filter won't make 10hp over paper in the rpm range where 99.99% of every day driving is done.
Last edited by djb383; Nov 9, 2010 at 12:08 PM.
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From: milwaukee wi.
Year: 1993
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Just because the k&n lets more air in doesn't mean the 4.0 will injest the extra available air.
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From: The Republic of TEXAS
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Nobody admits that they spent X $ on a performance mod and then says the mod didn't work, so I sent it back, for a refund........it has to work, it cost more, marketing depts wouldn't lie.........would they???????????
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From: Conroe, Texas
Year: 1997
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i have a K&N, is there a filter like the K&N thats better? i have the stock air tube and the K&BN filter and filter heat shield. i dont have the stock air box anymore...and i need a new filter


