Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.

Fuel pump blowing the pcm/tcm 30a

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 13, 2019 | 02:50 PM
  #1  
Matt Hendrickson's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default Fuel pump blowing the pcm/tcm 30a

Ok, I'll try to make it brief, but oh well. 89 Laredo body, 96 wiring harness, 97 4.0l engine. If I crank it without the fuel pump relay in, or the fuel pump disconnected, it doesn't blow the fuse.

Fuel pump appears to go out. Replace fuel pump and gas tank while I'm at it. So on the fuel pump, harness connector didn't match, so hooked up power, ground, and fuel guage. The other two are for pcm sensors.

Blew the fuse.

Checked all my wires for rubbing. Replaced the CPS. Still blowing the fuse.

Pcm was cracked, replaced it. Blew the fuse.

Voltages and ohms all look good. I went and got a replacement fuel pump. Hooked it up out of the tank and it seems fine. Put it in the tank, you guessed it, blew the fuse.

I'm at wits end. In the attached, I'm using wires 1, 3, and 5. The other two are taped off. Should they be used?

Any other suggestions??


Ran new line from the fuel pump relay to the fuel pump and hooked it up to a chassis ground. Blew the fuse.
Reply
Old Jul 13, 2019 | 09:17 PM
  #2  
Matt Hendrickson's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default Anyone?

I'm dying here
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2019 | 10:34 PM
  #3  
jordan96xj's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 2,139
Likes: 93
From: Syracuse, NY
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0L
Default

Hooked it up out of the tank and it seems fine.

Did you actually activate the pump and it ran without blowing the fuse?
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2019 | 11:51 PM
  #4  
Matt Hendrickson's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default It did

However, I didn't crank the engine which is when it blows. It was the first time i had i actually run though. Might be a stupid question, but in the image i posted, should i ground the second wire?
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 04:14 AM
  #5  
country2's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 807
Likes: 124
From: Homer Georgia
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0l
Default

Originally Posted by Matt Hendrickson
However, I didn't crank the engine which is when it blows. It was the first time i had i actually run though. Might be a stupid question, but in the image i posted, should i ground the second wire?
Try it and see?
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 05:21 AM
  #6  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,461
Likes: 433
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Looking at a diagram for 4.0 engine there are 5 wires going to the fuel pump module.

1. Relay output to fuel pump module Dk Grn/Red (This is the power)
2. Sensor Ground PCM to module Blk/Lt Blu
3. Fuel Level to Instrument Cluster Dk Blu
4. Low Fuel to PCM low fuel sense Dk Blu/Wht
5. Ground Blk
Those are the actual colors of the wires you have? I'm not seeing that pattern on the schematics. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong schematic. Are ALL your wires 1996? Is the ECU, fuse box and PDC 1996? What Fuse# is blowing? Were all your fuel pumps new and for a 1996?
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 05:30 AM
  #7  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,461
Likes: 433
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Matt Hendrickson
Might be a stupid question, but in the image i posted, should i ground the second wire?
IIWY I wouldn't be experimenting with wires that go to the PCM until I knew they were supposed to go there.
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 06:03 AM
  #8  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,461
Likes: 433
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Also, did it ever work correctly? When did it stop?
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 11:03 AM
  #9  
Matt Hendrickson's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by Dave51
Those are the actual colors of the wires you have? I'm not seeing that pattern on the schematics. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong schematic. Are ALL your wires 1996? Is the ECU, fuse box and PDC 1996? What Fuse# is blowing? Were all your fuel pumps new and for a 1996?
Those ate the actual colors at the fuel pump. All wires are 96, but it's weird, some things match schematics, some things don't. Yes, yes, and yes for those. Fuse 6, a 30a maxi in the pdc. All fuel pumps were new. The fuel passmore are for an 89. I wired up the positive, ground, and fuel indicator.
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 11:04 AM
  #10  
Matt Hendrickson's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by Dave51
Also, did it ever work correctly? When did it stop?
It had been sitting fit several years before I got it. It was working with that configuration, but I don't know the last time.
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 11:17 AM
  #11  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,461
Likes: 433
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Matt Hendrickson
Those ate the actual colors at the fuel pump. All wires are 96, but it's weird, some things match schematics, some things don't. Yes, yes, and yes for those. Fuse 6, a 30a maxi in the pdc. All fuel pumps were new. The fuel passmore are for an 89. I wired up the positive, ground, and fuel indicator.
In the 97 FSM fuse 6 in the PDC looks to be a 40A going to the blower relay. I think it's time to examine the wires from Fuse 6 out.

Sure you have the right relay?
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 11:28 AM
  #12  
Matt Hendrickson's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by Dave51
In the 97 FSM fuse 6 in the PDC looks to be a 40A going to the blower relay. I think it's time to examine the wires from Fuse 6 out.

Sure you have the right relay?
Fuse 6 on this PDC is the pcm/tcm 30a. See attached.
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 11:33 AM
  #13  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,461
Likes: 433
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Or interestingly, a 30A Fuse 6 in 97 went to a diesel Fuel Heater.

Where'd that harness come from?
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 11:40 AM
  #14  
Matt Hendrickson's Avatar
Thread Starter
Newbie
 
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by Dave51
Or interestingly, a 30A Fuse 6 in 97 went to a diesel Fuel Heater.

Where'd that harness come from?
I honestly don't know. Closest I can figure is a 96 Cherokee country? It was done before my time.
Reply
Old Jul 15, 2019 | 11:54 AM
  #15  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,461
Likes: 433
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Matt Hendrickson
Fuse 6 on this PDC is the pcm/tcm 30a. See attached.
Your attachment didn't come through.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:48 AM.