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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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When I give a little more than normal gas or at WOT it kinda starts to give up, and then backfire up front. I am pretty sure that I have an exhaust leak. I was checking the manifold last night and I could wiggle it a little as well as missing the fwd most bolt. And I have a feeling that the gasket is definitely bad. So is that a good starting point, or should I check sensors or somewhere else. Work has picked up and it is dark by 5 PM now, so thats why I am trying to take shortcuts on the trouble shooting. Thanks.

It's a 4.0 auto.
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 11:01 PM
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OK ya I'd start with the manifold gasket. But I'd also check you plug wires make sure all plugs are firing all the time.. Those would be your best places to start..
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 11:09 PM
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do you get any codes? maybe get a code reader and see if you can narrow it down that way. i know my XJ has the cylinder 3 misfire problem sometimes, as do most other 00 and 01's.
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterShakeXJ
do you get any codes?
not in an 87, no.
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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What is a easy way to check the plugs. I was messing with the vac lines and noticed with the MAP line disconnected the idle went down to normal ranges. And I am also having a whole lot more stumbling right now. I am also leaning heavily to putting the old airbox back in. Would a bad IAT cause this as well. It was oil soaked and I cleaned it and put it back in.
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 10:39 PM
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A little update. I snagged some injectors from a 4.0 explorer today(red top). And after installing them i can accelerate without any backfire. But it does backfire if I really give it gas, but I can accelerate in any normal driving conditions and I got it up to 60 no problem. I am still going to do the gasket but I think I will wait now till I get a new exhaust manifold.
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:10 PM
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whats your timing set at?
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Old Nov 28, 2008 | 11:26 PM
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Sounds like you found the problem
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 76ANTHONY
whats your timing set at?
Probably where the factory locked it in at. Timing is most often controlled by the computer. Even in 87.

I would lean more to the manifold gasket. When air is allowed into the leading end of the exhaust system, backfiring can occur.

Might I suggest getting the manifold changed while you have it off, as they are prone to cracking. Often, welding up the crack is only a stop-gap as they almost always re-crack. Trust me, this is something you do not want to do more than ONCE. eBay is the best place to find them. The seller I bought my TWO from usually has them for $89.95 Buy It Now. That price includes shipping. They come with both the gasket for the head and the pipe.
Why TWO?? I have a '91 Laredo and a '94 Sport.

Here's a link to his eBay store (Manifold catagory)
http://stores.ebay.com/DoctorAutoPar...QQftidZ2QQtZkm

Just scroll down past the Mazdas
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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dam, even free shipping
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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Like I said, I have installed 2 of these...never want to do that again.
Not a real pain...just takes time.

Even better if you are doing a "full-system"

Helpful note: When installing a manifold w/o a new system behind it...
Hang manifold loosely by the front and rear studs, do not tighten.
Makes easier to line-up the system and get the flare connection bolts started.
Once started...go to town.

2nd Helpful Note: Start nuts and washers that will be "under" intake by a few threads. These bolt the intake and exhaust to head together (Washer crosses bosses in both manifolds) When you are THERE, you will see what I mean. Then carefully slip the intake down with it tilted slightly to drivers side. There are two locator pins that stick out from head that the intake needs to sit on/over. Once the intake is nestled behind the mounting washers...tilt to passenger's side until intake sets over locators. Install rest of hardware and torque everything down.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Howler_GT
Probably where the factory locked it in at. Timing is most often controlled by the computer. Even in 87.

I would lean more to the manifold gasket. When air is allowed into the leading end of the exhaust system, backfiring can occur.

Might I suggest getting the manifold changed while you have it off, as they are prone to cracking. Often, welding up the crack is only a stop-gap as they almost always re-crack. Trust me, this is something you do not want to do more than ONCE. eBay is the best place to find them. The seller I bought my TWO from usually has them for $89.95 Buy It Now. That price includes shipping. They come with both the gasket for the head and the pipe.
Why TWO?? I have a '91 Laredo and a '94 Sport.

Here's a link to his eBay store (Manifold catagory)
http://stores.ebay.com/DoctorAutoPar...QQftidZ2QQtZkm

Just scroll down past the Mazdas
This was my plan, just waiting to get the money for it all at once. I want to get the exhaust manifold as well. I just had to try the injectors to see if I had a fuel problem as well. The injectors I pulled off were 2 different types, so it looks like the DAPO just pieced it together.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 06:44 PM
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Dontcha just love DAPOs???
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 04:49 PM
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Well I was still having the problems as well as stalling after driving for awhile. So I pulled out the fuel pump and the hose on the from the pump to the line was barely hanging on. And it was pretty deteriorated, so after switching that and a new strainer it started within 2 seconds. And the pressure was so high the regulator started leaking. I guess I crushed some of the o rings when I did the injectors but there never was enough pressure to leak. So the backfire is gone i think it was pulling air into the fuel rail with weak pressure and causing the problem. I hope this helps anybody else.
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Old Dec 26, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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Always good to revive an old thread with the solution to the problem.

Bet your Xj feels and drives like a whole different Jeep now, right.
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