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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 07:26 PM
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you could convert it to a carburated 4.0 then do it... (bypass ecm all together)
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dukie564
you cannot adjust anything with the timing on the 4.0L engine. Period. End of story.

No reflash, no chips, no indexing, nothing. The PCM controls and adjusts all aspects of the spark and fuel timing using signals from the CPS and the CKPS, along with the other sensors.
That is not even close to being true. That's exactly what a programmer does. It changes fuel,timing and spark. If your statement was true then they wouldn't have proggramers for our trucks. Now as stated above; it won't do any good unless you have mods to back it up. No cpu is locked and not tunnable.

I will need proof.
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 07:42 PM
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also why programmers don't work on our trucks. Again...well documented...
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by OEJ
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I will need proof.
Did u read the "myth busting" link?
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 07:55 PM
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Actually no I didn't. So no one has ever had any dyno proven gains with head work etc and a programmer? So what its buyer beware. All the claims are false? Help me understand. Not trying to be smart, I really want to know. I pride myself on being a decent mech. Allbeit mustangs and vettes. I do my own work. So I'm always ready to learn something new. Even when it means appologizing for being wrong. Wich. It appears I am.lol. so I'm sorry.lol.
Also. I don't partake in someone callingsomething a myth just because they say it is. I need dyno proof. There willbe a lot of people who will have some false advertising lawsuits.lol

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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 08:02 PM
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degreeing the cam will help, your changing the timing at the source. hydraulic lifters and mech. lifters only do what the cam tells them to do. If the cam lobes are not where the PCM thinks they are wala more power (if you did it right). and without changing the cam you could throw in a set of rhoads lifters and POW same cam acts like a big cam, or a set of adjustable pushrods (but that's way more time consuming) the CPS is not going to be able to tell where the cam is in relation to the crank, and the distributor won't know the cam has been moved cause it can only go in one way.
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 08:08 PM
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Sorry guys I don't meanto come off like a jerk. I just wanna to be sure. Sorry
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OEJ
Sorry guys I don't meanto come off like a jerk. I just wanna to be sure. Sorry

it's all good.......... wasn't trying to be a smart*&^ myself
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 08:24 PM
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Too bad these are so fricking expensive...
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 08:30 PM
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ungh...........gimmie, gimmie, gimmie
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OEJ
Actually no I didn't. So no one has ever had any dyno proven gains with head work etc and a programmer? So what its buyer beware. All the claims are false? Help me understand. Not trying to be smart, I really want to know. I pride myself on being a decent mech. Allbeit mustangs and vettes. I do my own work. So I'm always ready to learn something new. Even when it means appologizing for being wrong. Wich. It appears I am.lol. so I'm sorry.lol.
Also. I don't partake in someone callingsomething a myth just because they say it is. I need dyno proof. There willbe a lot of people who will have some false advertising lawsuits.lol
Just read the article......and take it FWIW. Wouldn't think JPMagazine would have a reason to publish BS.......can u say the same thing about aftermarket marketing depts?

The XJ cam has such a minimal lift that it appears in that pic only 2 valves are on lift.

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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 09:09 PM
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lol @ false advertising lawsuits. Just like the "electric turbos" and the "Tornado" i guess huh?
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 09:11 PM
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Those don't work???????????? LOL
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by highmileage
it's all good.......... wasn't trying to be a smart*&^ myself
Cool.

Originally Posted by dukie564
lol @ false advertising lawsuits. Just like the "electric turbos" and the "Tornado" i guess huh?
Haha. You got that right!!!! Lol.
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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by djb383
Those don't work???????????? LOL
But.... You can get power from dual gas powered leaf blowers..... Hot rod did
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