Another engine noise thread, your thoughts?
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From: CHICAGO ILLINOIS
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: LEAKY NOISY 4.0
Update; got about 50 miles on the seafoam treatment and now i am leaking oil
the noise is still there and not any quieter yet not to mention i've already leaked out a full quart of oil. I am not happy grrrrrrr!!!
the noise is still there and not any quieter yet not to mention i've already leaked out a full quart of oil. I am not happy grrrrrrr!!!
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From: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 rebuilt w/ bored TB, banks header, upgraded ignition, 3 row rad, high flow h2o pump, 180* t-stat
knoxville,
To me it sounds like you have some valve train noise. The lifters tend to be 'loud' at idle due to lower oil pressure/flow. Nothing to loose any sleep over.
I have had good luck by running Seafoam through the crack case (right before an oil change). I add some Marvel Mystery Oil to the fresh oil mix and have heard quite the improvement in idle quality. I too am a stickler for how my Xj runs/sounds. Hope this helps.
To me it sounds like you have some valve train noise. The lifters tend to be 'loud' at idle due to lower oil pressure/flow. Nothing to loose any sleep over.
I have had good luck by running Seafoam through the crack case (right before an oil change). I add some Marvel Mystery Oil to the fresh oil mix and have heard quite the improvement in idle quality. I too am a stickler for how my Xj runs/sounds. Hope this helps.
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From: CHICAGO ILLINOIS
Year: 1993
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Engine: LEAKY NOISY 4.0
TRS, no worries man i new this could happen but it was worth a shot ( i appreciate the input).
Tanner, I'm really not worried about engine damage ( i know most 4.0s make this noise) but its effing annoying! Its just driving me nuts. I've actually been thinking about putting underhood insulation ( thought jeeps came factory with it? ) as mine has none: just to stop the noise from echoing and maybe tone it down a bit. I do agree with you on the low oil pressure at idle tnats exactly how it seems; but i have between 30 -40 lbs at idle or so says my factory gauge. i did pull the valve cover and oil was flowing pretty good so, i guess i'm gonna keep the seafoam in a lil longer and switch to 5w30 with Lucas and see. Thanks guys, keep ya posted..................
Tanner, I'm really not worried about engine damage ( i know most 4.0s make this noise) but its effing annoying! Its just driving me nuts. I've actually been thinking about putting underhood insulation ( thought jeeps came factory with it? ) as mine has none: just to stop the noise from echoing and maybe tone it down a bit. I do agree with you on the low oil pressure at idle tnats exactly how it seems; but i have between 30 -40 lbs at idle or so says my factory gauge. i did pull the valve cover and oil was flowing pretty good so, i guess i'm gonna keep the seafoam in a lil longer and switch to 5w30 with Lucas and see. Thanks guys, keep ya posted..................
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From: Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
Year: 1998
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Engine: 4.0 rebuilt w/ bored TB, banks header, upgraded ignition, 3 row rad, high flow h2o pump, 180* t-stat
TRS, no worries man i new this could happen but it was worth a shot ( i appreciate the input).
Tanner, I'm really not worried about engine damage ( i know most 4.0s make this noise) but its effing annoying! Its just driving me nuts. I've actually been thinking about putting underhood insulation ( thought jeeps came factory with it? ) as mine has none: just to stop the noise from echoing and maybe tone it down a bit. I do agree with you on the low oil pressure at idle tnats exactly how it seems; but i have between 30 -40 lbs at idle or so says my factory gauge. i did pull the valve cover and oil was flowing pretty good so, i guess i'm gonna keep the seafoam in a lil longer and switch to 5w30 with Lucas and see. Thanks guys, keep ya posted..................
Tanner, I'm really not worried about engine damage ( i know most 4.0s make this noise) but its effing annoying! Its just driving me nuts. I've actually been thinking about putting underhood insulation ( thought jeeps came factory with it? ) as mine has none: just to stop the noise from echoing and maybe tone it down a bit. I do agree with you on the low oil pressure at idle tnats exactly how it seems; but i have between 30 -40 lbs at idle or so says my factory gauge. i did pull the valve cover and oil was flowing pretty good so, i guess i'm gonna keep the seafoam in a lil longer and switch to 5w30 with Lucas and see. Thanks guys, keep ya posted..................
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From: St Augustine, Fl
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 Power Tech
That sounds like a valve train issue. If you one of the guys that like to see the tac go to 5000 alot it could be a bent push rod. If its high mileage it could be just a worn rocker. If you have a miss along with the noise it could be a lifter collapsed. If you get boared remove the valve cover and fire it up. put your hand on each rocker untill you find the offender and replace.
Good Luck
Good Luck
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^ good advice Duncan. This is whatd id do with my next day off just to be sure....
Duncan0668..........as far as finding the offender I have already replaced my rocker arms , pivots , bridges , and rods.still makes the same tick. can the lifters/tappets be replaced without removing the head? can they be fished out or does a tool exist to extract them?
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From: Chicago
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
I have never seen a xj with under hood insulation....... I think these things run hot enough, my "piston slap" went away after plugs, wire, cap+ msd coil. Plus I lost my long cranks. The jeep dealer called it piston slap, the 80 year old man behind my house called it scattered combustion. Sometimes old people rule, sometimes he says that he saw a chicken in my back yard though.
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From: CHICAGO ILLINOIS
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: LEAKY NOISY 4.0
Just an update, got about 120 miles with the seafoam and now it takes about 5 - 10 mins for the noise to begin after a cold start??? i'm running out of guesses for now. So I'm gonna do an oil change this weekend and maybe a tune up ( just b cuz ) and check my flywheel for cracks ? so lets see; still not worried about the motor tho cuz its runnin like a stuck pig ! I also have a temporary fix for the noise, I installed a 500 watt stereo system,
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From: CHICAGO ILLINOIS
Year: 1993
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Engine: LEAKY NOISY 4.0
I have never seen a xj with under hood insulation....... I think these things run hot enough, my "piston slap" went away after plugs, wire, cap+ msd coil. Plus I lost my long cranks. The jeep dealer called it piston slap, the 80 year old man behind my house called it scattered combustion. Sometimes old people rule, sometimes he says that he saw a chicken in my back yard though.

Tj40, whereabouts are you located?
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From: CHICAGO ILLINOIS
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: LEAKY NOISY 4.0
So its been about a month now and after trying all of the above as well as trying many different weights of oil and checking my rod bearings I still have this noise? I have tried to locate it again and it seems to be coming from the front of the trans, its very hard to locate because the sound travels like crazy.I checked the flywheel and didnt see any cracks, What else could it be? The front pump? This thing is driving me nuts! Help please!
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From: Detroit, MI
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Torque converter bolts are loose.
It's the converter...I'd bet on it. It clanks away until you spool up, sounds like piston slap or a rod knock but it is way, way better...because you can fix it for free.
Tighten the bolts.
It's the converter...I'd bet on it. It clanks away until you spool up, sounds like piston slap or a rod knock but it is way, way better...because you can fix it for free.
Tighten the bolts.
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From: Flint/Asheville
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
dang it you beat me, I had it on my last one and all the bolts where loose. Tighten them up then it was quiet


