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poomero 02-11-2016 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by aj2494 (Post 3212027)
What is this magical non-instant gratification thing?

Its a new thing I am trying out. Hahaha

extrashaky 02-12-2016 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by aj2494 (Post 3211902)
Agreed, but when it comes to headers, remember that it's federally illegal to remove any catalytic converter unless it is causing the motor to run poorly, and even then it must be replaced with an EPA approved cat.

If you'll step off your high horse for a moment, you'll realize that nobody said anything about removing catalytic converters. I certainly didn't. Seems like a misreading on your part base on a misunderstanding of the parts that are actually installed on the 2000.


Originally Posted by aj2494 (Post 3211902)
Meaning that if you have a CA emissions package, you cannot legally just replace the headers with a 49 state set.

Sure you can. The precats are in the downpipe, not in the exhaust manifolds. The aftermarket headers are exactly the same in both the EPA and CA versions. They bolt to the downpipe in exactly the same places. The only difference is that for the EPA version, you plug the O2 holes, and the plugs are usually supplied with the header. Replacing the manifolds with a header has no effect on the installation of the catalytic converters. None at all.


Originally Posted by aj2494 (Post 3211902)
There definitely is not a twin downpipe on the EPA version.

There absolutely positively most definitely is. I have held more than one of them in my very own dirty hands and even got a metal splinter from one to prove it. Here's a pic of the one installed on my 2000 XJ, just before I sent it off to be ceramic coated:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...9c2112d287.jpg

The downpipe is exactly the same size and length for both versions. The difference is that the CA version has precats and downstream O2 sensor bungs in it. Like so:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...16bffa1a0a.jpg

You can see in that picture that the downpipe (either version) bolts to the exhaust manifolds as a separate piece. Here's an EPA 4.0L with a header instead of the stock manifolds. Note the O2 sensor bungs plugged up.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...22d8f80cd4.jpg

And here's a CA version with a Torque Tubes style header. You can't see the cats very well in the pic, but you can see where the O2 sensors are installed.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...fea50f93dc.jpg

For even more reference, here's a pic of the Borla headers next to the stock manifolds (CA version--see the O2 sensors):

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...9a63f3ed2d.jpg

And here's that Borla set installed. Cats are still under there.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...e48ee31c97.jpg



Originally Posted by aj2494 (Post 3211902)
Also, many of us live in states where we have to pass inspection, and you are running a serious risk by removing cats.

Again, nobody said anything about removing cats, since the headers fit either version without affecting the downpipe at all. But for just replacing the header, the only place you would have an issue with inspections is in California, where you may need to pay extra for a CARB sticker. Even there the headers are exactly the same, just that one comes with a silly sticker to make you legal under California state law.

Fred/N0AZZ 02-12-2016 09:28 AM

To the OP it took me about 6 mo of looking till I found the 1999 XJ that I wanted for the price and condition that I was looking for. Found a bunch of others along the way but wait and bide your time a good 99 will come along.

aj2494 02-12-2016 01:41 PM

Alright I gotta apologize, especially to Shaky. I must have had my head up my *** yesterday. For some reason I was thinking that the EPA version was still a single down pipe, and then I completely misread your post. My apologies, high horse has been left for dead.

extrashaky 02-12-2016 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by aj2494 (Post 3212501)
Alright I gotta apologize, especially to Shaky. I must have had my head up my *** yesterday. For some reason I was thinking that the EPA version was still a single down pipe, and then I completely misread your post. My apologies, high horse has been left for dead.

:thumbsup:


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